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Well, tomorrow is the Elephant Room. Let's see what Jakes actually believes!

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annsni

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It's do or die, IMO! Our church is hosting it so I'm going to be there for the before lunch stuff but then I have an orthopedist appointment at 2 eastern time so I'll have to leave after that but I'm sure they will get the truth out of Jakes before that. I'd guess this is a bunch that will be able to stop the dance.
 
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mandym

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And here is where he denies the Scriptural Trinity:
God
There is one God, Creator of all things, infinitely perfect, and eternally existing in three manifestations: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
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He is a modalist
 
The Biblicist

The Biblicist

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mandym said:
And here is where he denies the Scriptural Trinity:


He is a modalist
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That is exactly what my take on his definition of God. He does not say that The Holy Spirit is God or a Person. He does not use the term "Person" to describe the Father or the Spirit. He simply says that God exists in three "manifestations."
 
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The Biblicist said:
That is exactly what my take on his definition of God. He does not say that The Holy Spirit is God or a Person. He does not use the term "Person" to describe the Father or the Spirit. He simply says that God exists in three "manifestations."
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There is no guessing or doubt on this one. He is clearly denying the Trinity.
 
Jerome

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Some members of the Calvinist fraternity 'The Gospel Coalition' are just beside themselves that their Brethren are playing host to T. D. Jakes:

http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs...invitation-of-t-d-jakes-to-the-elephant-room/

this I do know, the entire situation raises association, separation, and accountability concerns for me that I did not have to the same degree before now. It raises significant questions about how members of The Gospel Coalition associate and endorse beyond the Coalition meetings themselves. For me, it tests the bounds of cooperation. I’m no Fundamentalist with well-established separation doctrines. But as one attempting to draw lines–cardinal biblical lines, mind you!–in a community flooded with heresy, this is no easy relationship to balance. Can I really endorse or remain quiet on an event that features a heretic I’m committed to opposing in writing? I don’t think so. That decision is easy for me. More difficult: Can I really endorse or support a brother who willingly associates with such a heretic and extends them a platform? Painful. Sobering.
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Elephant Room host James MacDonald just announced that he has resigned from 'The Gospel Coalition' board:

http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/01/24/james-macdonald-resigns-from-tgc/

Earlier today on his blog, James MacDonald publicly announced his resignation as a Council member of The Gospel Coalition. James was one of our founding members. . .
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annsni

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mandym said:
Oh, why are you having him?
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We're not. He's one of the men participating in The Elephant Room. We're just one of the satellite sites for the program.

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Will this be recorded Ann?
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It will - and it will be for sale later just as the first Elephant Room was.

The Biblicist said:
You have got to be joking, right?
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Nope.

Jerome said:
Some members of the Calvinist fraternity 'The Gospel Coalition' are just beside themselves that their Brethren are playing host to T. D. Jakes:

http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs...invitation-of-t-d-jakes-to-the-elephant-room/



Elephant Room host James MacDonald just announced that he has resigned from 'The Gospel Coalition' board:

http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/01/24/james-macdonald-resigns-from-tgc/
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Woah!!!!!! :tear:
 
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Christos doulos

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annsni said:
Woah!!!!!! :tear:
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If MacDonald was the reason that TD jakes was brought in then he should resign. As a black man I see the state many "black" churches are in because of men like Creflo Dollar, Jakes etc... It hurts my heart and betrayed that they would allow Jakes in. All it did was cause more confusion.
 
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David Lamb said:
....and what's an elephant room? We don't have one at my church (but as I don't know what it is, I suppose there's a possibility that we do :laugh: ).
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It's something that was done last year for the first time. I think it was eight well known evangelical pastors getting together and discussing some differences they have (last year they discussed church policy, multi campuses, responding to culture, social jUstice and compassion and that sort of thing). It was interesting and well done - kind of a kind Baptist Board meeting over coffee. But it was orthodox evangelicals meeting. This year they invited TD Jakes who has been known to be a moralist and thus has stirred quite a bit of controversy. It seems the original purpose of The Elephant Room changed after this invitation and those who were involved last year distanced themselves this year. I do believe that this was a mistake to invite Jakes and I wonder what James is thinking. I guess we will see what happens today. I want to go but I decided that I really have better use for my time today with staying home with the kids and homeschooling and trying to get some things done. My husband will let me know how it goes since he's the guy running all the equipment anyway so he is there. :). But I have to say that with Mark Driscoll there, we will most certainly get a clear answer as to what Jakes believes today. No dancing around him!
 
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Hopefully he was invited that he might be convinced to repent of his heresy. Hopefully he was not invited to consider his heresy and allow him a format to promote it. They better be well prepared to rebuke him or it will look like they are accepting his heresy as a non-essential.
 
Jerome

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Kent Shaw, an Elder at MacDonald's Harvest Christian Fellowship, explains what went down between Calvinist fraternity 'The Gospel Coalition' factions:

Last week James was put under a lot of pressure from leaders of The Gospel Coalition, a reformed group of about 50 pastors he has fellowshipped with for the past few years. They were asking that he pull the plug on Bishop Jakes coming to the Elephant Room (ER) conference. Their reasons are rooted in weak evidence of Jakes current doctrine and infighting among the black members of the Gospel Coalition who have deep seeded resentments. Crawford Loritts is the black pastor who spoke at James 50th birthday and is also a council member of the Gospel Coalition. Crawford is participating in this ER conference because he believes in what James is doing and has stepped forward to help. All that to say, not even Gospel Coalition members are unanimous in the opposition, but certain influential men have rallied to pressure James to cancel Bishop Jakes
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http://apprising.org/2012/01/24/the...ion-of-james-macdonald-from-gospel-coalition/
 
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