Went to a Reformed Church tonight

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Both. If you have to be affirmed 40 Sundays out of 52 for half an hour that God is all-powerful, all knowing, and sovereign then perhaps you really don't believe it, perhaps on a subconscious level at the least.

And when you have to reinforce each week that its human effort that accomplishes salvation...that is the determining factor.....same rules apply to the above commentary. Sickening isn't it.,...do you think that perhaps these churches are obsessive/compulsive?

 

[evangelist6589]

OK John, time for me to pick on you.

First, thanks for the compliment, but I am not an expert on Arminianism, or anything thing else for that matter.

Second, don't sneak around on your wife. Wives have a type of radar, they KNOW when you sneak around. You will get caught, and she will make sure you are sorry. Just tell her you want to attend a Reformed church.

Alright, now the part that is going to get all the Reformed/Calvinist/DoG or whatever you want to be called all riled up. It is this part of your quote;



OK, what's with all this? Don't you guys believe your own doctrine? I mean, in my church we do not have sermons on free will, or conditional salvation, we all know what we believe. We have sermons on practical Christianity, how to live as Christian. We are King James only, and we only preach that once every couple of years.

You guys remind me of Charismatics. Go to any Pentacostal church anywhere, and each week the sermon will be on Acts chapter 2 or 1 Corinthians. All they want to talk about is tongues, healings, and miracles every week. They gotta make sure everybody believes it.

You guys are the same, you have to keep hammering yourselves on Total Depravity, Election, Perseverance of the Saints, etc... It's like you guys are not even sure if you really believe this stuff yourself, so you gotta keep pushing it.

Anyway, quit sneaking around, wives don't like that. She will catch you, and you will be scrubbing the toilet.

Yes she found out and me and her and the pastor had a debate/discussion last night. However the pastor spoke in my favor as I was not the type of Calvinist he was against which based on what he said more o the Hyper persuasion. My wife admitted she was wrong for attacking Calvinist which I found ironic considering she carries a MacArthur SB. I also agreed to become a member as long as they understand my Calvinism and not try and persuade me or attack me. I have been to IFB churches that did this and they made me angry. I have been to IFB churches that attacked the modern translations, and all in their ignorance. Once in SC in 2008 a teacher really ticked me off and I confronted him in the class about his comments which were very blasphemous. However I could not reason with a brick wall so I found it better to take a leave to another church.

I did say I would still read Calvinists but I would not go to another church but I also made it clear they are not going to convince me as I won't them. The pastor seemed graceful as my wife and the ending went well, despite the rocky start. God worked and I praise Him for the ending last night.

 

[convicted1]

Yes she found out and me and her and the pastor had a debate/discussion last night. However the pastor spoke in my favor as I was not the type of Calvinist he was against which based on what he said more o the Hyper persuasion. My wife admitted she was wrong for attacking Calvinist which I found ironic considering she carries a MacArthur SB. I also agreed to become a member as long as they understand my Calvinism and not try and persuade me or attack me. I have been to IFB churches that did this and they made me angry. I have been to IFB churches that attacked the modern translations, and all in their ignorance. Once in SC in 2008 a teacher really ticked me off and I confronted him in the class about his comments which were very blasphemous. However I could not reason with a brick wall so I found it better to take a leave to another church.

I did say I would still read Calvinists but I would not go to another church but I also made it clear they are not going to convince me as I won't them. The pastor seemed graceful as my wife and the ending went well, despite the rocky start. God worked and I praise Him for the ending last night.

Why did you agree to not go to another church? We are free to go whithersoever we feel led to go.

 

[evangelist6589]

So instead of a "pure Reformed church" you'd prefer a modified purity? Of course then it can't be called pure any longer.

You know what I meant. Reformed with Dispensationalism are different than Reformed without dispensaionalism.

 

[Revmitchell]

When doctrine becomes more important than one's wife then their is a maturity problem.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

When doctrine becomes more important than one's wife then their is a maturity problem.

Where is that any of your business to say that oh great Oz.

I put my business before my wife I'm sorry to say....but we grew from there. So I wont criticize.....at least not publically. If you have something to tell him....call him or write him privately. So him some affection, some maturity, some mercy.

 

[JonC]

Yes she found out and me and her and the pastor had a debate/discussion last night. However the pastor spoke in my favor as I was not the type of Calvinist he was against which based on what he said more o the Hyper persuasion. My wife admitted she was wrong for attacking Calvinist which I found ironic considering she carries a MacArthur SB. I also agreed to become a member as long as they understand my Calvinism and not try and persuade me or attack me. I have been to IFB churches that did this and they made me angry. I have been to IFB churches that attacked the modern translations, and all in their ignorance. Once in SC in 2008 a teacher really ticked me off and I confronted him in the class about his comments which were very blasphemous. However I could not reason with a brick wall so I found it better to take a leave to another church.

I did say I would still read Calvinists but I would not go to another church but I also made it clear they are not going to convince me as I won't them. The pastor seemed graceful as my wife and the ending went well, despite the rocky start. God worked and I praise Him for the ending last night.

Has it been your experience that most IFB churches consider differences in soteriological views to be valid reasons for divisions within the local body or even a measure of spiritual discernment among believers?

I understand that people reason through Scripture differently and with two conflicting views both cannot be correct - I understand standing on what you believe - although I suppose I lean towards the possibility of error in both views (including my own). But the idea that this is such a dividing force in our churches is something that is a bit foreign to me (experientially speaking).

 

[evangelist6589]

When doctrine becomes more important than one's wife then their is a maturity problem.

Depends on the doctrine. But yes for once you are right and this one is not a dividing issue.

 

[evangelist6589]

Where is that any of your business to say that oh great Oz.

I put my business before my wife I'm sorry to say....but we grew from there. So I wont criticize.....at least not publically. If you have something to tell him....call him or write him privately. So him some affection, some maturity, some mercy.

Mitchell is not a encouraging but a discouraging type of person. Mitchell loves to criticize, attack, and dish out negative comments. I expect no better. But I only wish he would change his behavior.

 

[evangelist6589]

Has it been your experience that most IFB churches consider differences in soteriological views to be valid reasons for divisions within the local body or even a measure of spiritual discernment among believers?

I understand that people reason through Scripture differently and with two conflicting views both cannot be correct - I understand standing on what you believe - although I suppose I lean towards the possibility of error in both views (including my own). But the idea that this is such a dividing force in our churches is something that is a bit foreign to me (experientially speaking).

Yes some IFB churches are this way. Some are very anti-Calvinist and love to dish out attacks on Reformed. I myself am a former Arminian whom has seen the light about its doctrines. But a church that wishes to preach the "God has a wonderful plan" for your life message is going to rub shoulders against any Reformed. Sadly this message is more common in IFB churches.

 

[evangelist6589]

You are catching on Jon. Some churches have to keep everybody in line. You don't want anyone thinking outside the box.

Actually the pastor clearly said there is no reason to divide from Arminian on these issues and I had a chat with him and another member about my situation after. They both agreed that Arminianism is wrong, however they did not classify it a cult, nor tell me to cause division with my wife. They did not have an answer for my situation.

 

[evangelist6589]

Why did you agree to not go to another church? We are free to go whithersoever we feel led to go.

I am in a tight situation. Also IFB can be very controlling.

 

[evangelist6589]

You are catching on Jon. Some churches have to keep everybody in line. You don't want anyone thinking outside the box.

Yes that reminds me exactly of KJVO type churches like the one you attend. So militant on their beloved KJV, and so anti NIV, and modern versions, they are AFRAID of looking outside the box. KJVO are some of the most bigoted types I have ever met. I have had debates with some of them on the streets while I was in SC. They were very anti Way of the Master, anti Reformed theology, and anti NIV. It was IMPOSSIBLE to reason with them.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Why did you agree to not go to another church? We are free to go whithersoever we feel led to go.

Crack that whip!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes that reminds me exactly of KJVO type churches like the one you attend. So militant on their beloved KJV, and so anti NIV, and modern versions, they are AFRAID of looking outside the box. KJVO are some of the most bigoted types I have ever met. I have had debates with some of them on the streets while I was in SC. They were very anti Way of the Master, anti Reformed theology, and anti NIV. It was IMPOSSIBLE to reason with them.

And so is this church like that?

 

[preacher4truth]

Mitchell is not a encouraging but a discouraging type of person. Mitchell loves to criticize, attack, and dish out negative comments. I expect no better. But I only wish he would change his behavior.

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You're correct, he sows discord daily.

As to the OP, I hope you can lead your wife out of that IFB mess.

 

[evangelist6589]

And so is this church like that?

Thank God no!

 

[evangelist6589]

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You're correct, he sows discord daily.

As to the OP, I hope you can lead your wife out of that IFB mess.

Much prayer... Much prayer...

 

[preacher4truth]

Much prayer... Much prayer...

We will pray for both of you.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

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You're correct, he sows discord daily.

As to the OP, I hope you can lead your wife out of that IFB mess.

There I am apt to agree with you...ive personally never seen one that was not at heart extremely legalistic and you can just about guarantee that someone there will speak desparigenly about Calvinism and those apostate Calvinists ....just wait for it. But then what are you gonna do Evangel? And your wife thinks she has won the battle of "the church "....and I will bet she isn't taking any prisoners. Not after she ratted you out to her pastor. Did it real quick too.