Were souls created before the body is formed?

[37818]

need a verse on this

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, ". . . For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. . . ."

 

[37818]

The soul, itself does not die but lives on, as ours does. The resurrection is proof He did as He said, and was God

So am I to understand that you deny Ezekiel 18:4 and James 5:20 and Matthew 10:28 where where Jesus said that both body and soul perish? What happens to the body then also happens to the soul?

 

[Yeshua1]

It is a heresy known as Nestorianism that Jesus was two persons (souls).

God does not even have a soul, not in the same sense that humans do!

 

[Yeshua1]

So am I to understand that you deny Ezekiel 18:4 and James 5:20 and Matthew 10:28 where where Jesus said that both body and soul perish? What happens to the body then also happens to the soul?

The bofy will be resurrected immortal/glorified, and the soul shall never die , a sits part of the body forever!

 

[loDebar]

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, ". . . For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. . . ."

1Co 15:50

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

 

[loDebar]

The bofy will be resurrected immortal/glorified, and the soul shall never die , a sits part of the body forever!

1Co 15:50

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

 

[Yeshua1]

1Co 15:50

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Our physical bodoes shall raised up immortal and glorified!

 

[loDebar]

Our physical bodoes shall raised up immortal and glorified!

why? do you need it? what age will you appear in this body? I really would like another

 

[Yeshua1]

why? do you need it? what age will you appear in this body? I really would like another

To the scriptures, and to the Jewish mindset, all of us will be raised up, so we will be the same body born with, justnow perfect and immortal!

 

[loDebar]

To the scriptures, and to the Jewish mindset, all of us will be raised up, so we will be the same body born with, justnow perfect and immortal!

What age will your body appear, teenager? middle age? elderly? What if i am handicapped, will that remain? If I get a choice, I want a different one.

I want one like an angel

 

[Yeshua1]

What age will your body appear, teenager? middle age? elderly? What if i am handicapped, will that remain? If I get a choice, I want a different one.

I want one like an angel

You will have the exact same type of Body Jesus now has!

 

[loDebar]

You will have the exact same type of Body Jesus now has!

not flesh and blood, then

 

[Yeshua1]

not flesh and blood, then

Luke 24:39

 

[loDebar]

That is on earth and is proof of His resurrection so others will believe. What will you need to prove?

 

[Yeshua1]

That is on earth and is proof of His resurrection so others will believe. What will you need to prove?

That is the same body he now has and we who are saved will one day have!

 

[loDebar]

That is the same body he now has and we who are saved will one day have!

me @18 or me @68? which body?

 

[Aaron]

no assumptions, you are free to offer corrections.

gods in this chapter, as many others, is elohyim.

Psa 82:1
¶
[[A Psalm of Asaph.]] God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

This had to happen in Heaven because He judgeth among the elohyim or standeth in the congregation

Psa 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
אֲֽנִי־֭אָמַרְתִּי אֱלֹהִ֣ים אַתֶּ֑ם וּבְנֵ֖י עֶלְיֹ֣ון כֻּלְּכֶֽם׃

you are elohyim, children of, God or ben elohyim
Psa 82:7
But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

but ye will die like men and fall like one of the princes or rulers (presumed to be Satan, a prince who fell)

This was recited in John 10
Jhn 10:33¶
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Jhn 10:34¶
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Jhn 10:35
If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Jhn 10:36
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Jhn 10:37
If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
Jhn 10:38
But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
Jhn 10:39
Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

Accused of blasphemy, Jesus responded from Psalms82 saying men including the lost Pharisees were elohyim, not earthly rulers as some suggest. And if scripture call men elohyim, how can they accuse Him of blasphemy? He added the scripture must be true.

Psalm 82 is about the role and duty of the rulers and the magistrates of the world, and how they've universally failed. But it also is intended to encourage those who may be suffering under unjust judges, because God stands in their gathering, and His judgments prevail.

So Christ said to Pilate, 'Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above.'

In that sense, Pilate is pronounced a son of the Most High, having been ordained of God to do God's work of the execution of justice upon man. Men are to do the works of their father (John 8:39). But because these sons of the Most High did not do the works of their father (actually the father of their office) they will die like men. They will come to an ignominious end.

The psalm also serves to keep the Jews humble. Because of their covenant with God, they are tempted that they above all have a divine right to rule, but Christ said no. All the rulers of the nations are put there by God, and are, in that sense, sons of the Most High. The term Most High, El Elyon, is the name by which God is known of the Gentiles, and there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Jesus brings it up, not because it supports his claim of being the eternal Son of God. Psalm 82 has nothing to do with the divinity of Christ (and nothing to do with the divinity of man). He brings it up to stop the mouths of those who presume to be zealous for the law while they're ignorant of it. The Scriptures call them gods who rule, how is Jesus guilty of blasphemy for calling Christ the son of God?

 

[Aaron]

Accused of blasphemy, Jesus responded from Psalms82 saying men including the lost Pharisees were elohyim, not earthly rulers as some suggest.

You glibly dismiss millennia of devout exposition that concludes Psalm 82 is speaking of earthly rulers when gods are mentioned, offering no counter exposition whatever. All you offer is a non sequitor.

"This had to be in Heaven."

Really? Why? Do you deny the omnipresence of God?

Do you think Jesus and Satan were spirit brothers?

 

[SovereignGrace]

First we have new age mysticism where all souls were created at once and waited around waiting to have a body to reside in and now we have someone averring the Christ's soul died!?!?!?

This place is getting creepier day-by-day...

 

[SovereignGrace]

why? do you need it? what age will you appear in this body? I really would like another

Are you denying a physical resurrection also?