Speaks to the elect in Israel, but not to all lost sinners!
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Were theElect always Sheeps, and not Goats at all?
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Paul was still a sinner that was not right with God until Jesus became his Lord on way to Damascus!
Do you hold to eternal Justification?
Another change the subject question. The sheep refers to all mankind or contextually some portion of all mankind. The idea that "the sheep" only refers to saved individuals is as bogus as a 3 dollar bill.
How does scripture read to you? Give the the citation for your view.
So Christ came ‘only’ for the lost goats and not ‘only’ for the lost sheep?
What sort of ‘Calvinist’ are you?
Jesus died for His own, while we were still goats!
"The Two-Seed theological stance is known in some circles as Hyper-Calvinism"
Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarian Baptists
"Elder Daniel Parker (1781–1844) was one of the earlier ministers to speak out against the 'missions' movement....Parker taught that all persons are either of the 'good seed' of God or of the 'bad seed' of Satan (the children of the good seed are roughly equivalent to the 'elect' of Calvinism, and those of the bad seed similar to the 'non-elect')....a goodly number of the 'anti-missions' movement accepted his doctrine, though it never achieved anything near majority status"
Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarian Baptists
"Elder Daniel Parker (1781–1844) was one of the earlier ministers to speak out against the 'missions' movement....Parker taught that all persons are either of the 'good seed' of God or of the 'bad seed' of Satan (the children of the good seed are roughly equivalent to the 'elect' of Calvinism, and those of the bad seed similar to the 'non-elect')....a goodly number of the 'anti-missions' movement accepted his doctrine, though it never achieved anything near majority status"
Sounds a lot like eternal justification.
Hasn't Yeshua1 announced that he holds to the 1689 Confession?
Here's what those folks saw in Scripture:
p. 14, A Narrative of the Proceeding of the General Assembly (London, 1689) "Questions Proposed from the Several Churchs, Debated, and Resolved"
"the reconciliation, justification, and adoption of believers, are infallibly secured by the gracious purpose of God, and merit of Jesus Christ. Yet none can be said to be actually reconciled, justified, or adopted, until they are really implanted into Jesus Christ by faith; and so by virtue of this their union with him, have these fundamental benefits actually conveyed unto them. And this, we conceive, is fully evidenced, because the scripture....gives such representation of the state of the elect before faith, as is altogether inconsistent with an actual right in them. Eph. ii. 1, 2, 3, 12."
No verse to support. Assertions without citations carry little weight in Baptist circles.
Scripture that states Jesus died for goats?
No.
24 But he answered and said, I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Mt 15
Sheep only Yesh, NOT goats!
What sort of ‘Calvinist’ are you?
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My viewpoint would be theirs, as while we indeed are the chosen elect in Christ, we still have to be moved by God from goat to a sheep status!
No verse says Paul was not convinced Jesus was God based on the Damascus Road vision.
After being persuaded Jesus is the Christ, Paul as His bond-servant did as God willed and commanded.
Your assertions were not supported by the verses cited once again. Calvinism is as bogus as a three dollar bill.
Seems the parable of the wheat and tares might offer a more precise analogy: the wheat sown was always wheat, while the tares sown were always tares.
Ephesians 2
We "were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved"
Puritan Favorites ❧ Thomas Adams (1583-1652) ❧ Reformed Theology at A Puritan's Mind
Vol. I, Sermon XXII, p. 415:
"Paul was once a tare, who after proved good wheat, and is now in the garner of heaven. Recte dicitur glacialem nivem calidam ease non posse; nullo enim pacto quamdiu nix est, calida esse potest, —It is truly said that the frozen snow, can by no means be made hot; for so long as it is snow, and frozen, it will not be warmed. Yet if that snow be melted, the liquid may be made hot. God, that is able to turn a stony heart into a heart of flesh, work this change upon them"
Hallelujah!
We "were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved"
Puritan Favorites ❧ Thomas Adams (1583-1652) ❧ Reformed Theology at A Puritan's Mind
Vol. I, Sermon XXII, p. 415:
"Paul was once a tare, who after proved good wheat, and is now in the garner of heaven. Recte dicitur glacialem nivem calidam ease non posse; nullo enim pacto quamdiu nix est, calida esse potest, —It is truly said that the frozen snow, can by no means be made hot; for so long as it is snow, and frozen, it will not be warmed. Yet if that snow be melted, the liquid may be made hot. God, that is able to turn a stony heart into a heart of flesh, work this change upon them"
Hallelujah!
21 Or hath not the potter a right over the clay, from the same lump to make one part a vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor? Ro 9