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Shouldn't you prove everything by the scripture with scripture? Do you not reprove misapplication of scripture by other scripture?

The Church is not holding the keys to the gates of hell; Jesus Christ is.

Revelation 1:7 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

There is not one Church in Revelation 2nd and 3rd chapters that is listed as the Church, nor was any church referred to that Church as an example to follow or submit to authority towards in following because that is what the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes is that God hates.

Have I not used scripture in explaining what Jesus actually meant or not? If not, then align the two scriptures in truth, because I had applied them correctly in according to Jesus words of what scripture is supposed to do so we know we are applying His words right.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Those who apply His words to mean coming to the Church for life or eternal life are misapplying His words. The Church do not have the keys to the gates of hell. Christ is the head of the Church and it is by Him, the gates of hell does not prevail against; meaning no loss of salvation, brother. That is why Jesus Christ is the Good News to man, not a "Church".

 

So there is no way to avoid the authority of the scripture as trumping those in authority. 1 Corinthians 4:6 also applies to those in authority from exceeding beyond what is written.

Scripture was shown to you, but it had no merit with you. Once again... how does those in authority minister?

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

How does this edifying come about? How does the body of believers are taught in order to avoid deceitful doctrines?

2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

That include standing up to heresies being preached from the pulpit or being practiced in the church.

1 Corinthians 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

Those leaders in authority are under the authority of the scripture, because that is the only way any one can reprove them when they or the entire church goes astray.

The moment you down play the sole authority of the scripture, you are actually downplaying those in authority that reign by the Word of God.

If you think those in authority can never be held to the authority of scripture, I am not sure how those who follow them, can be held to the authority of the scripture just by the example of those in authority alone.

Matthew 7:1Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

So there is no way to avoid the authority of the scripture as trumping those in authority. 1 Corinthians 4:6 also applies to those in authority from exceeding beyond what is written.

 

Reading the words in that quote above, I meant no offense. Just pointing out that it seems to not register to you of its truth at all.

But doesn't that truth in 1 Corinthians 4:6 also applies to those in authority or not? Those in authority cannot go beyond the written word.

God exerts His authority by His words and His judgments given by His words. He will not act against what He has spoken.

So those in authority are to be held accountable by His words as those beneath their charge are accountable by His words as neither those in authority and those beneath their charge are to exceed beyond the authority God has given in His words..

For reproving and correcting those in authority too, I would say that means the only authority as Jesus is the Word of God.

Those in authority can only do those things by the scripture and so if they go astray, scripture has authority over them.

Show me a verse where those in authority are not held by the authority of the scripture.

 

What happens when the Bible canon does not identifies the Church as being that particular Church when that particular Church is NOT abiding in that Bible canon?

 

The fake rule is the adding of the authority of the Church operating outside and above the authority of the Bible.

How else does one assembly correct another assembly? Were there not 7 churches in Revelation whereby 5 of them were warned to repent or else? By the authority of the scripture alone. Nowhere did Paul correct in any epistle to a church to follow the Church at Rome or any specific church at any place as if authority of the Church over all churches stems from there.

There is no authority greater than the sole authority of the scripture because the authority of the scripture has rule over those in authority..

 

That is not testifying to adding to the scripture. Remember 1 Corinthians 6:4 ? That was your reference of not exceeding beyond what was written which is what the Catholic catechism for the works of Catholicism is.

In light of His words in the N.T. in regards to the New Covenant, that is how that authority over ride the law of Moses.

Here you are trying to argue your point by the scripture, are you not? You are still indirectly proving my point that scripture has the final say in matters of faith and doctrine.

But not the Church since Jesus and thus the Word of God has authority over the Church. Therefore scripture is the sole authority because those are His words and thereby He is the final authority by His words; the scripture.

Is that not like what the devil said to Eve... paraphrasing.. "Did God really say that?"

Scripture is required to reprove heresy .. even those who claim to be in authority uses scripture to reprove heresy. It is when they resort to their own authority when all of scripture has been found to not line up with their selected and out of context scripture from which their errant doctrines comes from, is how & why they conveniently argue against solos scriptura.

And yet you refer to the authority of scripture yet again.

But you are applying His words to infer Mom as the Church since you are preaching for an authority outside the scripture being the Church's authority, not God's. To infer the analogy of 2 Timothy 3:16 AND 17 , you have to acknowledge that verse 17 is how those in authority are equipped to govern authority over others by and that is by the authority of the scripture.

You are not rightly dividing the word of truth, though, brother.

Scripture has been saying it. You are missing the message which I suspect because of the Catholic's propaganda against using scripture as the final authority that is influencing you from seeing plainly.

John 16:1 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. 2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. 3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

Christians dying in Catholic's Inquisition; scripture reproves those in the authority for executing heretics, and that includes John Calvin.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

So what happens when a church as a whole does not abide in His words? They are not His disciples as a whole to be following, especially when they use their own authority to trump the authority of the scripture that reproves them.

You want to use blanket as an analogy and then say there are other things to keep him warm, but you neglect by that analogy to show what those other sources of warmth are other than scripture in being that "final authority" also.

 

Your request is unreasonable. Let's turn it around.

Show me scripture that says scripture is not the final authority. Maybe then you will see my point and what scripture has been saying all along as a whole.