Were they really saved?

[Eric B]

Yes, the Bible does tell us how to not have it counted against us... 'Except ye likewise repent, ye shall likewise perish.'

And that is my point. suicides cannot repent after the fact. nor can they repent before the act.

Then, again, you agree with the Catholics and Campbellists. "Salvation" is not any present reality, but only the final act of "making it" into Heaven if you have repented of each and every sin.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Then, again, you agree with the Catholics and Campbellists. "Salvation" is not any present reality, but only the final act of "making it" into Heaven if you have repented of each and every sin.

No, I agree with the Word of God. Just because one makes a profession of faith, and goes to church all his or her life does not mean they truly are of God.

The dog will eventually return to his vomit, the pig to it's wallowing in the mire.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Many will stand before Him saying they served Him faithfully...

Prophesying in His Name
Casting out devils in His name
and in His name doing many wonderful works

Yet He said He would profess to them He never knew them

 

[Eric B]

That's true; but you can't necesarily define that by commission of particular sins afterwards. Then, nobody would ever be saved.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Well, we are finally having somewhat of an intelligent conversation. lol

But, I see that one who commits suicide as being one of those who truly did not have that relationship with Christ that merits them as a Christian.

I see them as the one who received the Word with joy for a season, but would not let it take root. Their true nature, that which was deep in their heart came out revealing them as Judas revealed his true nature.

Does not the Word say 'Be sure your sins will find you out.'?

 

[Eric B]

It is possible that they did not have a relationship with Christ. Just as it is possible that any person you may look at; ("good" or "bad") may not have.
But again, you take committing this particular sin as constituting a renunciation of Christ. The seed and the ground all involved more than just commission of some "sin" in reaction to trials. It was either renouncing Him or not bearing ANY fruit at all (not his future sins being called "bad fruit")

 

[Diggin in da Word]

It is possible that they did not have a relationship with Christ. Just as it is possible that any person you may look at; ("good" or "bad") may not have.
But again, you take committing this particular sin as constituting a renunciation of Christ. The seed and the ground all involved more than just commission of some "sin" in reaction to trials. It was either renouncing Him or not bearing ANY fruit at all (not his future sins being called "bad fruit")

Is not suicide placing faith in an object to end misery instead of Christ? Placing faith in an object gives me a picture of one a whoring after other gods.