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Western wall praying
- Thread starter Judith
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Why would it be?
Well I know of one passage that clearly makes part of this sin in 1 Cor. 11:4. Also the wall is used by the Jews in their denial of Christ. I would think it would be no different than a believer bowing on a rug at prayer time to Allah. At best it is setting a bad example making these people think all roads lead to heaven.
1 Cor 11:4, κατὰ κεφαλῆς ἔχων, literally, "having a veil (kalumma understood) down from the head."
This refers to the tallith which Jews placed over their heads when praying, but the Greeks prayed with their heads uncovered.
The idea here is that a person praying or preaching with his head covered to the extent that his identify was hidden was dishonorable.
As we are no longer slaves but sons of God our identity should be known by all. We have nothing to hide.
The tallith referenced in 1 Cor 11 is a far cry from the yarmulke worn by President Trump at the Wailing Wall which does not obscure his identify in any way.
No disrespect but how are you not are adding to scripture. There is nothing in the Passage in the Greek dealing with a veil nor is there any suggestion of a tallith.
Here is why they claim they wear it which is exactly why the passage says not to cover the head of the male while praying or preaching.
The tradition to wear a kippah is not derived from any biblical passage. Rather, it is a custom which evolved as a sign of our recognition that there is Someone “above” us who watches our every act.
Why Do We Wear a Kippah?
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I did not add to scripture. I understand the scripture using the grammatico-historical hermeneutic.
I understand how you came by your claim, but it does not agree wit scripture OR historical evidence. When Paul wrote the passage in 1Cor. The kippah was already in use and it was considered a head covering even though it only covers a small part. He is dealing with any kind of head covering, not some sort of veil which is not even in the text. Secondly the idea of Christians at the wall sends a bad signal just like it would for a believer to take to a prayer rug during the time of prayer for a muslim. Also you mentioned the tallit, but your explanation is incorrect. So again no disrespect but you are claiming things not in scripture. https://www.mosaiclaw.org/content/origin-kippah-and-tallit
It is scripture.
You do understand what κατὰ κεφαλῆς ἔχων means, don't you?
How does a location or something on your head make a prayer to God equal to a prayer to Allah? That is a ridiculous statement.
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And....?
We're talking about Christians here. I can't speak for anyone else, but I've yet to forget who I was praying to, regardless of location or headgear. Insinuating that a prayer to God equals a prayer to Allah is borderline blasphemous.
It means By head of household
Rob so you think that the Jews can pray to God while they reject Jesus?And....?
We're talking about Christians here. I can't speak for anyone else, but I've yet to forget who I was praying to, regardless of location or headgear. Insinuating that a prayer to God equals a prayer to Allah is borderline blasphemous.
Rob, I did not say it did.
Not exactly. Christianity is Judaism complete. The Judaism that the Jews practice today is incomplete because they reject their Messiah. Islam is a false religion.
I've seen a video, "Satan At The Wailing Wall", that gave me great pause about what goes on at that spot. Google it if you dare. But don't blame me if you don't like what you see.
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Huh? Your opening post spoke in regards to Christians, and post 3, quoted above, looks to me like you are still speaking about believers. Was the part in red supposed to be talking about Muslims?
Maybe you meant exactly what you typed, or maybe you didn't. Around here, "equal to" and "no different than" mean pretty much the same thing.
My opinion only. I see nothing wrong with wearing the head covering. To me, though I do not consider it a religious requirement, it is a courtesy and a gesture of respect for another's tradition in their land. Honoring the 'My home, my rules' type of thing.
It is much like a visitor entering my home and refusing to take his shoes off at the door. It is unthinkable where I come from, and those who come to our home know this and show respect by showing their socks.
Bingo. And the Western Wall isn't the only place in Israel where one is asked to wear the head covering. The building housing the eternal flame at the Holocaust Museum was another.