What A Leader!

[preacher4truth]

Obama says:

I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby.

Have you sat your daughters down to teach them values and morals, and while doing so did you teach them the value and morality of tearing a baby from their wombs limb by limb if they make a mistake? That would make a wonderful devotional time wouldn't it?

What a blind dark world in which we live.

'Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds. They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart. They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity. But that is not the way you learned Christ!—' Ephesians 4:17-20

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Obama says:



Have you sat your daughters down to teach them values and morals, and while doing so did you teach them the value and morality of tearing a baby from their wombs limb by limb if they make a mistake? That would make a wonderful devotional time wouldn't it?

What a blind dark world in which we live.

'Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds. They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart. They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity. But that is not the way you learned Christ!—' Ephesians 4:17-20

How about simply lying.....and lying to your own....that includes family and that includes your country... try reading. JOHN 8:44

 

[preacher4truth]

How about simply lying.....and lying to your own....that includes family and that includes your country... try reading. JOHN 8:44

Yep, that verse too and the dolts follow him in droves. :thumbsup:

 

[saturneptune]

How evil is that? Even from a lost or worldly view, there are many, many couples who would give anything to have a child they cannot have on their own. The President's remarks treats a living human being like yesterday's trash.

 

[Zaac]

Obama says:



Have you sat your daughters down to teach them values and morals, and while doing so did you teach them the value and morality of tearing a baby from their wombs limb by limb if they make a mistake? That would make a wonderful devotional time wouldn't it?

What a blind dark world in which we live.

'Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds. They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart. They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity. But that is not the way you learned Christ!—' Ephesians 4:17-20

The man's statement was:

"When it comes specifically to HIV/AIDS, the most important prevention is education, which should include -- which should include abstinence education and teaching the children -- teaching children, you know, that sex is not something casual. But it should also include -- it should also include other, you know, information about contraception because, look, I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at the age of 16. You know, so it doesn't make sense to not give them information."

Given the context of the statement made, we don't know if he meant abortion or a condom. Considering that he mentioned contraception and STDs, it would appear that he was more likely referring to condoms than abortion.

So why is this coming up five years after the fact?

 

[JonC]

So why is this coming up five years after the fact?

While I agree with P4T that this highlights the dark world in which we live, I was wondering that also. There’s one even older about Reagan.

 

[Zaac]

While I agree with P4T that this highlights the dark world in which we live, I was wondering that also. There’s one even older about Reagan.

Yeah, I posted that one kinda to show that it's silly to talk about what somebody did 30 years ago after a person dies.

It's as though conservatives in the church are just angry and anything positive that is said about anyone who doesn't meet their republican conservative principles gets torn down.

The man is dead for goodness sake. If folks want to honor him for his fight against apartheid and other human rights, why try to douse that with partisan pettyness?

It's no wonder folks don't want anything to do with folks in the church. There never seems to be much love coming from the church anymore but more and more political foolishness.

 

[SolaSaint]

The man's statement was:



Given the context of the statement made, we don't know if he meant abortion or a condom. Considering that he mentioned contraception and STDs, it would appear that he was more likely referring to condoms than abortion.

So why is this coming up five years after the fact?

Zaac, that is truly laughable. Did he say a baby was a punishment? WOW, I hope you Dad doesn't think you are a punishment. God bless brother.

 

[prophet]

Yeah, I posted that one kinda to show that it's silly to talk about what somebody did 30 years ago after a person dies.

It's as though conservatives in the church are just angry and anything positive that is said about anyone who doesn't meet their republican conservative principles gets torn down.

The man is dead for goodness sake. If folks want to honor him for his fight against apartheid and other human rights, why try to douse that with partisan pettyness?

It's no wonder folks don't want anything to do with folks in the church. There never seems to be much love coming from the church anymore but more and more political foolishness.

They've spent countless hours listening to unregenerated talk radio hosts, and have adopted their attitudes, I'm afraid.

 

[Zaac]

Zaac, that is truly laughable. Did he say a baby was a punishment? WOW, I hope you Dad doesn't think you are a punishment. God bless brother.

What is truly laughably sad is how folks claiming to be Christians repeatedly look for reasons to speak poorly of this man.

And what he said is quoted. So again, by the context of what he said, there is nothing that says he meant for them to get an abortion as opposed to using condoms to prevent pregnancy and contracting STDS as he spoke of.

Yall just got some serious heart issues when it comes to this man and it continues to be shameful.

 

[Zaac]

They've spent countless hours listening to unregenerated talk radio hosts, and have adopted their attitudes, I'm afraid.

BINGO!:applause: Same thing I have said in the past. Yet they have no clue about the degree of wickedness it highlights to be coming forth from those in the church who are supposed to be light.

 

[SolaSaint]

What is shameful is for any Christian to side with Obama. He has done more to advance the abortion of the unborn than anyone I know of.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

What is truly laughably sad is how folks claiming to be Christians repeatedly look for reasons to speak poorly of this man.

And what he said is quoted. So again, by the context of what he said, there is nothing that says he meant for them to get an abortion as opposed to using condoms to prevent pregnancy and contracting STDS as he spoke of.

Yall just got some serious heart issues when it comes to this man and it continues to be shameful.

Does he not claim to be a Christian? If so, why does he lie? Why is he deceptive? Why does he support abortion? Why does he cover up events that should be discussed openly to the American public? Answer those questions 1st before you criticize Born Again & Saved Christians who are attempting to present the truth to you......but you reject.

 

[preacher4truth]

Does he not claim to be a Christian? If so, why does he lie? Why is he deceptive? Why does he support abortion? Why does he cover up events that should be discussed openly to the American public? Answer those questions 1st before you criticize Born Again & Saved Christians who are attempting to present the truth to you......but you reject.

He doesn't want to see it. This fellow has been told truth for quite a while, but he can't take it. It is CLEAR the 'morals' and 'values' this person has, and he teaching his daughters those 'values' and 'morals', that he would have their babies ripped from their wombs limb by limb so they wouldn't be punished. If zaac can't see the evil of that and defends him still it is evidence of a much much deeper problem. All we can do is present truth, we cannot remove scales from eyes.

 

[Don]

He doesn't want to see it. This fellow has been told truth for quite a while, but he can't take it. It is CLEAR the 'morals' and 'values' this person has, and he teaching his daughters those 'values' and 'morals', that he would have their babies ripped from their wombs limb by limb so they wouldn't be punished. If zaac can't see the evil of that and defends him still it is evidence of a much much deeper problem. All we can do is present truth, we cannot remove scales from eyes.

I can't decide if he's supporting Obama, or if Zaac just likes telling other Christians how wrong they are for adopting certain viewpoints/attitudes, thereby presenting himself as a better Christian than they are....

 

[preacher4truth]

I can't decide if he's supporting Obama, or if Zaac just likes telling other Christians how wrong they are for adopting certain viewpoints/attitudes, thereby presenting himself as a better Christian than they are....

It's all of the above. If he only saw in himself what he perceives to be in everyone else but him, he wouldn't do these things. But that takes an act of God and is way above our pay grade.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I can't decide if he's supporting Obama, or if Zaac just likes telling other Christians how wrong they are for adopting certain viewpoints/attitudes, thereby presenting himself as a better Christian than they are....

Is there any such thing as a better Christian.....tier 1 & tier 2.

There is something called a carnal christian of which I was apart of being. When I was confronted with the fact that in fact a carnal christian was nothing more than a non believer, it stunned me. How could I say I was a follower of Christ & then be as wicked as Saten. So in effect I was lying to myself & to the world. Thats what gave me the grace I needed to face my own evil ways....nothing else.

So I wonder if our brother is not deluding himself by supporting this whole dynasty of evil. Truly "the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge" Proverbs 1:7

Again:

Proverbs 1:10-19

New King James Version (NKJV)

10 My son, if sinners entice you,
Do not consent.
11 If they say, “Come with us,
Let us lie in wait to shed blood;
Let us lurk secretly for the innocent without cause;
12 Let us swallow them alive like Sheol,[a]
And whole, like those who go down to the Pit;
13 We shall find all kinds of precious possessions,
We shall fill our houses with spoil;
14 Cast in your lot among us,
Let us all have one purse”—
15 My son, do not walk in the way with them,
Keep your foot from their path;
16 For their feet run to evil,
And they make haste to shed blood.
17 Surely, in vain the net is spread
In the sight of any bird;
18 But they lie in wait for their own blood,
They lurk secretly for their own lives.
19 So are the ways of everyone who is greedy for gain;
It takes away the life of its owners.

 

[Zaac]

What is shameful is for any Christian to side with Obama. He has done more to advance the abortion of the unborn than anyone I know of.

I continue to stand amazed at the amount of love the church always seems to pretend to have when it comes to the unborn while constantly expressing NOTHING of love when it comes to Obama and those who have already been born and don't meet their approval.

Shall God continue to use Obama to rattle a church full of hypocrites who love their politics more than they pretend to love people.

May God continue to use Obama to take from the pocketbooks of the church that which they should have been giving in the first place to take care of the poor , the widows and the orphans.

12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold. Matt. 24:12

 

[Zaac]

Is there any such thing as a better Christian.....tier 1 & tier 2.

There is something called a carnal christian of which I was apart of being. When I was confronted with the fact that in fact a carnal christian was nothing more than a non believer, it stunned me. How could I say I was a follower of Christ & then be as wicked as Saten. So in effect I was lying to myself & to the world. Thats what gave me the grace I needed to face my own evil ways....nothing else.

So I wonder if our brother is not deluding himself by supporting this whole dynasty of evil. Truly "the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge" Proverbs 1:7

Again:

Proverbs 1:10-19

New King James Version (NKJV)

10 My son, if sinners entice you,
Do not consent.
11 If they say, “Come with us,
Let us lie in wait to shed blood;
Let us lurk secretly for the innocent without cause;
12 Let us swallow them alive like Sheol,[a]
And whole, like those who go down to the Pit;
13 We shall find all kinds of precious possessions,
We shall fill our houses with spoil;
14 Cast in your lot among us,
Let us all have one purse”—
15 My son, do not walk in the way with them,
Keep your foot from their path;
16 For their feet run to evil,
And they make haste to shed blood.
17 Surely, in vain the net is spread
In the sight of any bird;
18 But they lie in wait for their own blood,
They lurk secretly for their own lives.
19 So are the ways of everyone who is greedy for gain;
It takes away the life of its owners.

Dynasty of evil? There is more pure wickedness displayed on this board everyday by folks who are supposed to be followers of Christ than that man could probably ever hope to commit.

Yet the lot of you seem to have confused your wickedness as Godliness.

You're all so bright but you don't realize that the world is spiralling down because of the foolishness in the CHURCH, not the White House.

The constant unrepentant, wickedness toward that man and anything remotely associated with him reveals the truth.

 

[Zaac]

Does he not claim to be a Christian?

Yes he claims to be a Christian just like folks on here claim to be Christians.

If so, why does he lie? Why is he deceptive? Why does he support abortion?

Doe s Scripture say that he can't sin and be a Christian? You're guilty of breaking the same laws that he is. Do you claim to be a Christian?

Why does he cover up events that should be discussed openly to the American public?

Please. He's the President. He doesn't have to tell you or the rest of Republican or Democrat America anything he doesn't want to just like Presidents and Mayors and Governors and Senators in the past have also done. Yall are mad at this man over partisan politics. And that anger causes you to sin against God daily while spreading a vile, foul smelling wickedness that wreaks to God's nostrils while robbing you of a witness for Christ.

Answer those questions 1st before you criticize Born Again & Saved Christians who are attempting to present the truth to you......but you reject.

Where are the Born Again and Saved Christians? Please raise your hands. God's word says that His people will be known by their love. All yall are known for is being against abortion, being against the gays, being against homosexuality and being against anything that has anything to do with Obama.

So please stand up and testify because on a day to day basis there are very few of you on here who are displaying anything of the love that Christ says His people will be known for.