What about Canada?

[Dr. Bob]

Sorry. I'll let you go "Dutch Treat" on that one and adjust YOUR views. The French have incurred our disgust as you know.

Now that the fighting is all but over in Iraq, I am amazed and SICKENED by the whining French, Germans and Russians who all want a part in the $$ that will come from rebuilding.

Anybody know the story of the Little Red Hen? Sounds like Europe.

But we digress. Canadians are our allies and the 4000+ mile border between the US and Canada is the longest undefended border in the world.

 

[rsr]

mioque said:

It is closer to the truth, that the Russians did most of the work defeating the Nazis and that the Americans stopped the Russians from conquering the whole of Europe.

A lot of truth in that.

Denying the vital Soviet role in defeating the Nazis is revisionist history. I don't denigrate American sacrifice and effort, but I also acknowledge that the Soviet effort in the East was decisive.

Japan is another story.

 

[LadyEagle]

I tend think that being nice is generally overated in today's society.

Me, too. I tried to be nice & am lagging way behind in the BB MOY poll. So no more Mr. Nice Guy, I mean Nice Lady Eagle. LOL!

I like Canadians. Or at least I did until a couple of the Canadian BB members called me a bigot. But they're young, what do they know?

Being PC and revisionist history, that's all they know.

But, we golden oldies, Me & Brother Jim1999 here, we're buds.

We are both patriots & love our countries & our military!

 

[Jude]

Originally posted by Dr. Bob Griffin:
Boy, Mioque, THAT is truly offensive to me.


The attitude you express of abject ungratefulness and rewriting the US out of history is a reason why most of us here in the USA feel pity for western europe.

Sad.

"There are none so-blind as those who will not see". Dr Bob, we're wasting our time with this man. He fails to appreciate that without U.S. intervention/sacrifice, HIS country would be flying the Nazi flag.

 

[Pastor Larry]

Originally posted by mioque:
Sorry Bob, seems that you'll have to adjust your worldview. The Commies would have licked the Nazis eventually without US support.
And afterwards they probably would have turned the whole of mainland Europe into vassal states.
Ofcourse they would have lost a huge number of soldiers compared to the already large US losses doing this.
You see invading Russia without preparing for the Russian winters is a monumentally stupid idea and the Germans did exactly that.

"Most of the work of defeating the Nazis"
and "would have licked the Nazis eventually without US support"???? What are you smoking over there?? No one here denies that the Russians played a vital part in the east. But they played virtually no part in the West, in Africa, or in the Pacific. Let's not revise history becuase of your distaste for Americans.

Europe was free in 1945 becaues of American firepower and will power. Russia was free because of Russian firepower and will power. Russia was fighting for its own life and its own country. America was fighting for the lives and countries of others predominantly. America was not defending its own cities and towns. It was defending the cities and towns of others. Don't underestimate that and don't be ungrateful for it.

 

[superdave]

This could well be applied to Michigan and Wisconsin as well. Of course, we are right across the border after all. the quickest way to Canada from my house is to go South!

I mean, Da Yoopers really aren't that much of an exaggeration

 

[mioque]

"Dr Bob, we're wasting our time with this man."
I'm a woman.

"He fails to appreciate that without U.S. intervention/sacrifice, HIS country would be flying the Nazi flag. "
I'm betting red flag sporting a hammer and sickle myself, but that's what we are fighting about.

"What are you smoking over there??"
Marihuana?
Be honest, you would be disappointed if I claimed anything else.

"Let's not revise history becuase of your distaste for Americans."
You think I would be spending time around here if I disliked Americans?

"Europe was free in 1945 becaues of American firepower and will power."
Now that's true.
My particular country was freed by the Canadians (I have the tombstones nextdoor to prove that), but let's face it that's nitpicking.

 

[Jim1999]

Mioque,

Canada and Holland shared something precious to both countries. Canada declared a small portion of land in Ottawa to be Dutch soil, so the princess could be born in Canada, but on Dutch soil.

Each year, Holland sends special tulips to Ottawa and a Tulip Festival is the result of those tulips.

And yes, Canada happened to spend a lot of time fighting in Holland, and as a result, our peoples developed a kinship. I was not in Canada at that time. I was in London, England, but I have been told all about it through our veterans here.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[LadyEagle]

Hmmmm....so there MUST be a connection between those Michigan tulip bulbs I order from the catalog and Canada and Holland. Now I get it! It's all connected!

So why do some Canadians hate us? We all were probably related way back when. And we all like tulips.

Sorry, didn't mean to digress.

 

[Dr. Bob]

Don't think of Canadians "hating" us. There may be a few, but there are probably a few US that hate Canadians, too.

The Avalanche do, for sure . . but that's for the sports forum!

Think some Canadians are envious of the US, but they, too, would be a minority. Most feel like the US considers them the "weak sister" and not a real world power. Their history and culture is being "robbed" by the bombardment of US culture, television, etc etc

I have a dear friend who is a "Peacekeeper" in the Canadian military. He is CONTINUALLY in harm's way and is a brave soldier.

 

[mioque]

"Canada declared a small portion of land in Ottawa to be Dutch soil, so the princess could be born in Canada, but on Dutch soil."
That was princess Margriet. That gesture was very much appreciated.

"Canada happened to spend a lot of time fighting in Holland"
I live 5 minutes walking distance from a large WWII memorial graveyard filled with Canadian soldiers.

That means that when the Jude's, Larry's and Bob's of this world claim that the US saved the world, I can at least point out that my little corner of it was saved by the Canucks.

 

[Matt Black]

I think all of us can bang our drums on the issue of war dead. Let's face it,on a crude number-crunching body-count, the Russians win hands down with 20 million. Of the major players, the French got off most lightly in WWII but lost much more heavily than the Americans in WWI (and those that died in the WWII Resistance tended to die more horribly), as did the British. The Soviet war effort was helped significantly by the US and British Arctic convoys and it is a moot point whether they would have beaten the Germans without the consequent combination of spam, US jeeps etc - not to mention the Second Front in Italy and France. The whole point of the Second World War was that is was - to use an en vogue term - a coalition; thus no country has the right to claim a monopoly or even hegemony in war effort, still less disparage the contributions of others in that coalition.

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

[mioque]

"thus no country has the right to claim a monopoly or even hegemony in war effort, still less disparage the contributions of others in that coalition."
You are ofcourse correct.

 

[Matt Black]

Thank you

I used to think I was fallible, but it turns out I was wrong


I'm not sure that there is any hatred between Canadians and Americans, but if there is, could it not be traced to the following trivial incidents:

1. Anglo-Canadians being descended from American Tory Loyalists exiled after 1783

2. The War of 1812

3. The rumbling border war of 1841

4. Oh, and the Americans always winning in the Calgary Stampede Rodeo

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

[LadyEagle]

Don't forget NAFTA.

 

[Matt Black]

Ah, yes, now that's another can of worms....

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

[Jim1999]

Quoted by the Lady herself:

I like Canadians. Or at least I did until a couple of the Canadian BB members called me a bigot. But they're young, what do they know? Being PC and revisionist history, that's all they know.

But, we golden oldies, Me & Brother Jim1999 here, we're buds. We are both patriots & love our countries & our military!
____________________________________________

You are very perceptive and read me like a book.

Cheers Friend, and God bless,

Jim

 

[Daisy]

Originally posted by mioque:
"Dr Bob, we're wasting our time with this man."
I'm a woman.

Yeah, I thought your name was rather feminine for a guy. For some, mostly men, the default gender is masculine.

The funny thing is, that at first I got you confused with mozier - both lowercase m names which sounded French. I thought you were some kind of schizo, half the time funny, cosmopolitan and reasonable, the other half belligerently conservative (and rather masculine).

 

[Daisy]

Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
I tend think that being nice is generally overated in today's society.

Perhaps as you mature, you'll come to see the value of civility.

Canadians do have the reputation of being civil. And, to their credit, they do not constantly harp on how much more "polite" they are than the rest of the country (or hemisphere).

 

[mioque]

Daisy
"at first I got you confused with mozier - both lowercase m names which sounded French. I thought you were some kind of schizo, half the time funny, cosmopolitan and reasonable, the other half belligerently conservative (and rather masculine). "
What can I say? I've always been an outspoken macho reactionary.