What About Franklin?

[Robert Snow]

John, again this isn't about the sanitized version of Islam that you have come into contact with. I wonder if you have ever run into the Muslims that Franklin is speaking of?

Don't expect Johnv to respond. In his world all Muslims are wonderful people we should be proud to be associated with. He sticks his head in the sand when confronted with the truth!

 

[targus]

Don't expect Johnv to respond. In his world all Muslims are wonderful people we should be proud to be associated with.

Perhaps you could point to any of his words where he expressed such a belief?

As far as I can see he was talking about his neighbors.

 

[Johnv]

John, again this isn't about the sanitized version of Islam that you have come into contact with.

That reasoning is somewhat circular: "Islam is a horrible religion, therefore Muslims are horrible people, therefore, if someone meets a Muslim that isn't a horrible person, that person must be practicing a sanitized version of Islam, because Islam is a horrible religion."

That line of reasoning makes it easy to simply discount comments to the contrary without reason.

Don't expect Johnv to respond. In his world all Muslims are wonderful people we should be proud to be associated with. He sticks his head in the sand when confronted with the truth!

Nice pharisaical attampt, which is not only inaccurate, but false on your part. You'd be hard pressed to find post where I did as you claim. I simply don't get on the witchhunt bandwagon that so many ignorant folks get on.

As far as my neighbors, yes, they're Muslim, and they're wonderful people. I don't discount the fact that they're wonderful people just because of their religious affiliation. You, OTOH, would presume that they're not wonderful people based solely on their religious affiliation. That makes you, not me, the one with his head in the sand.

 

[Robert Snow]

Perhaps you could point to any of his words where he expressed such a belief?

As far as I can see he was talking about his neighbors.

Hyperbole on my part. Johnv constantly mentions how wonderful his neighbors are, which I don't doubt. However, if his neighbors are true Muslims, and Islam was in a powerful position in our country, he might find out things about his neighbors he isn't aware of now.

 

[targus]

Hyperbole on my part. Johnv constantly mentions how wonderful his neighbors are, which I don't doubt. However, if his neighbors are true Muslims, and Islam was in a powerful position in our country, he might find out things about his neighbors he isn't aware of now.

Just as there are lukewarm Christians - could there not be lukewarm Muslims - who are not fanatical haters of infidels?

If the possibility exists - which I suspect is the case - what percentage of Muslims living in this country would fall into that category?

Are you suspicious when going into a retail establishment and encountering a Middle Eastern appearing individual working behind the counter?

If all Muslims are evil as you seem to be suggesting - wouldn't you then avoid doing business with them or even coming into contact with them?

Is that how you conduct yourself day to day?

 

[Robert Snow]

That reasoning is somewhat circular: "Islam is a horrible religion, therefore Muslims are horrible people, therefore, if someone meets a Muslim that isn't a horrible person, that person must be practicing a sanitized version of Islam, because Islam is a horrible religion."

Do you realize the horrors of Islam? What do you think would be their attitude toward Christians if they were in control in America?

Nice pharisaical attampt, which is not only inaccurate, but false on your part. You'd be hard pressed to find post where I did as you claim. I simply don't get on the witchhunt bandwagon that so many ignorant folks get on.

I may be ignorant about many things, but I do understand the dangers Islam will bring to the U.S. if they ever achieve dominance.

Perhaps we have taken this too far. Evidently you feel differently toward Islam than I do. I believe this is a satanic religion, and do not want to accommodate them in the least. I support any Christian mission that seeks to save people from Islam, and my heart goes out to those who are caught in it's clutches.

I apologize for any comments I have made that has offended you.

 

[FR7 Baptist]

There is a Muslim family that lives down the street from me and they're nice people. I have a cousin who married a Muslim and he's a very nice person. I knew a number of Muslims in high school who were all decent people. Here's my point- some people on this board paint people with too broad a brush.

 

[Johnv]

What do you think would be their attitude toward Christians if they were in control in America?

Which makes my neighbors less wonderful, how exactly?

Perhaps we have taken this too far. Evidently you feel differently toward Islam than I do.

Yes. I don't broadbrush people based on just their religious affiliation. You do.

I apologize for any comments I have made that has offended you.

Your apology is accepted.

 

[just-want-peace]

Here's my point- some people on this board paint people with too broad a brush.

You DO realize that this "point" is a knife that cuts with both edges, do you not????????

 

[David Michael Harris]

Just noticed a pro islam advert on this thread. I wish the BB would stop that.

In fact I wish it would stop trying to make money off the back of the Gospel altogether.

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[Marcia]

Do you realize the horrors of Islam? What do you think would be their attitude toward Christians if they were in control in America?



I may be ignorant about many things, but I do understand the dangers Islam will bring to the U.S. if they ever achieve dominance.

...I believe this is a satanic religion, and do not want to accommodate them in the least. I support any Christian mission that seeks to save people from Islam, and my heart goes out to those who are caught in it's clutches.

I agree with you. The radical elements of Islam are, historically, what takes over when Islam gains a foothold in any country. Look at what is going on now in countries where this is happening. Islam did not take over the Middle East peacefully by merely talking about the Koran. They took over violently.

 

[just-want-peace]

I agree with you. The radical elements of Islam are, historically, what takes over when Islam gains a foothold in any country. Look at what is going on now in countries where this is happening. Islam did not take over the Middle East peacefully by merely talking about the Koran. They took over violently.

[sarcasm] Surely you KNOW the sweet and loving neighbors of the Islamic persuasion, so common in our country, would never, NEVER, NEVER, succumb to the harsh aggressiveness of the radicals even if they were suddenly in the majority - don't you???[sarcasm end]

 

[billwald]

>>Originally Posted by billwald
>>The crazy thing is that the Christian Reconstructionists would have us revert to stoning those who break the 613 statements of Moses.


>Can you name even one person who advocates such?

Gary North. See his commentary on Levit available on www.freebooks.com

 

[Marcia]

>>Originally Posted by billwald
>>The crazy thing is that the Christian Reconstructionists would have us revert to stoning those who break the 613 statements of Moses.


>Can you name even one person who advocates such?

Gary North. See his commentary on Levit available on www.freebooks.com

Yes, Gary North and a few others as well, a man named DeMar. North's father in law, Rousas John Rushdoony, is sort of a founding father of this movement.

According to Gary North, women who have abortions should be publicly executed, ''along with those who advised them to abort their children.'' Rushdoony concludes: ''God's government prevails, and His alternatives are clear-cut: either men and nations obey His laws, or God invokes the death penalty against them.'' Reconstructionists insist that ''the death penalty is the maximum, not necessarily the mandatory penalty.'' However, such judgments may depend less on Biblical Principles than on which faction gains power in the theocratic republic. The potential for bloodthirsty episodes on the order of the Salem witchcraft trials or the Spanish Inquisition is inadvertently revealed by Reconstructionist theologian Rev. Ray Sutton, who claims that the Reconstructed Biblical theocracies would be ''happy'' places, to which people would flock because ''capital punishment is one of the best evangelistic tools of a society.''

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/r10.html

They are postmil.

 

[Robert Snow]

Which makes my neighbors less wonderful, how exactly?

Yes. I don't broadbrush people based on just their religious affiliation. You do.

Your apology is accepted.

Do you think that Islam is a potential threat to America and our liberties?

 

[Aaron]

Just noticed a pro islam advert on this thread. I wish the BB would stop that.

In fact I wish it would stop trying to make money off the back of the Gospel altogether.

I will host the site if you wish, I have a brilliant dedicated server doing nothing just right for this. Charge. Nothing.

I've effectively zapped all adds while on the BB.

http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

 

[Jedi Knight]

Islam HAS TO FORCE their religion because there is NO POWER in it. But true believers in Jesus Christ SHARE the message of the gospel that HAS THE POWER to convert the soul.

 

[David Michael Harris]

Islam HAS TO FORCE their religion because there is NO POWER in it. But true believers in Jesus Christ SHARE the message of the gospel that HAS THE POWER to convert the soul.

Amen brother.

 

[David Michael Harris]

Do you think that Islam is a potential threat to America and our liberties?

Islam is a threat to everyone.

 

[Robert Snow]

Islam is a threat to everyone.

I was hoping Johnv would answer, but maybe he hasn't seen the posting yet.