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What about Palestine? Yemen?

asterisktom

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My friend Paul Forrest made a good observation:

"The media has got people acting like Pavlov's dogs. The networks tell us whose side we're on, and the public instantly develop an opinion and act with evangelistic zeal in criticizing the "bad guys"."

And it seems that Christians are especially swayed by the propaganda machine. But what about Palestine and Yemen? They also are being bombed, Palestine with sickening regularity by Israel?

We do not have the same anger about those unfortunates because the media does not include them in their "Two Minute Hate".
 

Silverhair

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My friend Paul Forrest made a good observation:

"The media has got people acting like Pavlov's dogs. The networks tell us whose side we're on, and the public instantly develop an opinion and act with evangelistic zeal in criticizing the "bad guys"."

And it seems that Christians are especially swayed by the propaganda machine. But what about Palestine and Yemen? They also are being bombed, Palestine with sickening regularity by Israel?

We do not have the same anger about those unfortunates because the media does not include them in their "Two Minute Hate".

And you conveniently forget that Palestine is bombing Israel with sickening regularity. How many suicide bombers have you seen from Israel blowing up themselves and innocent civilians in Palestine?
 

asterisktom

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And you conveniently forget that Palestine is bombing Israel with sickening regularity. How many suicide bombers have you seen from Israel blowing up themselves and innocent civilians in Palestine?

And what about Israeli soldier snipers shooting innocent kids? And bulldozing Palestinian homes? Yes Hamas unfortunately sends rockets, but they are small compared to Israeli ordinance.
 

Mikey

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My friend Paul Forrest made a good observation:

"The media has got people acting like Pavlov's dogs. The networks tell us whose side we're on, and the public instantly develop an opinion and act with evangelistic zeal in criticizing the "bad guys"."

And it seems that Christians are especially swayed by the propaganda machine. But what about Palestine and Yemen? They also are being bombed, Palestine with sickening regularity by Israel?

We do not have the same anger about those unfortunates because the media does not include them in their "Two Minute Hate".
Yep, I agree. Particularly all the "independent international political neutral sporting organisations" suddenely making a "moral" stance, however it is nothing but political pressure and PR.

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) called for sports organizations across the world to prevent Russian and Belarusian athletes from participating in international events, whilst allowing China, who is targeting ethnic groups for forced sterilization, ideological Indoctrination and rape; persecuting of religious groups including Christians, to host the Olympics.

Sorry if i don't look to the IOC for moral guidance.
 

Revmitchell

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My friend Paul Forrest made a good observation:

"The media has got people acting like Pavlov's dogs. The networks tell us whose side we're on, and the public instantly develop an opinion and act with evangelistic zeal in criticizing the "bad guys"."

And it seems that Christians are especially swayed by the propaganda machine. But what about Palestine and Yemen? They also are being bombed, Palestine with sickening regularity by Israel?

We do not have the same anger about those unfortunates because the media does not include them in their "Two Minute Hate".

uh that is a lie about Israel. They only defend themselves. Sorry for your propaganda
 

Silverhair

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And what about Israeli soldier snipers shooting innocent kids? And bulldozing Palestinian homes? Yes Hamas unfortunately sends rockets, but they are small compared to Israeli ordinance.

Really you want to go there. These are the kids that are trying kill Israeli soldiers and civilians. If the houses are being used by Hamas then they should be destroyed. And you do realize that Israel only returns fire, but then you would not believe that would you.
 

Reynolds

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My friend Paul Forrest made a good observation:

"The media has got people acting like Pavlov's dogs. The networks tell us whose side we're on, and the public instantly develop an opinion and act with evangelistic zeal in criticizing the "bad guys"."

And it seems that Christians are especially swayed by the propaganda machine. But what about Palestine and Yemen? They also are being bombed, Palestine with sickening regularity by Israel?

We do not have the same anger about those unfortunates because the media does not include them in their "Two Minute Hate".
The terrorists in "Palestine" deserve every bomb they get hit with.
 

percho

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Somebody help me in what I am suppose to believe.

Quid pro quo. It's hard to say and can require some nuance to prove, but it's the phrase at the center of a contentious impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump.
Did he withhold military aid to Ukraine by pressuring the country to investigate his political rivals?

This was supported by all the MSM yet to my knowledge it was never proven, Yes or No? This was with the country of Ukraine.

Now correct me if I am wrong but didn't Joe Biden on a tape confess to doing this very thing in Ukraine Quid pro quo, even cursing in doing so? Has the MSM brought forth this as impeachable?
Was and is the son of Joe Biden getting paid by someone in Ukraine for doing something? I wonder what, being the son of Joe Biden? Has MSM questioned any of that? Is all or any of this business between Americans and Ukraine's above board?

Have any of you seen the stuff on Hunter Biden's laptop? Believe me you don't want to yet it says a lot about the apple and the tree the apple fell from. It's a lot like the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. No wonder God did not want Adam to eat of it.

If I were V Putin I would worry about what was going on over the wall. Do not count on ever knowing the truth, in this age.

I post a lot with the word age in it, don't I.
 
My friend Paul Forrest made a good observation:

"The media has got people acting like Pavlov's dogs. The networks tell us whose side we're on, and the public instantly develop an opinion and act with evangelistic zeal in criticizing the "bad guys"."

And it seems that Christians are especially swayed by the propaganda machine. But what about Palestine and Yemen? They also are being bombed, Palestine with sickening regularity by Israel?

We do not have the same anger about those unfortunates because the media does not include them in their "Two Minute Hate".
Jerusalem will be destroyed in 2032. Israel awaits a new scattering. After that, Israel will return to their land again. The Third Temple will be built when Israel does not have "neither barres nor gates" (Ezek.38:11) (KJV1611). At that time, Israel will have neither its own army, nor the iron dome, nor the support of the United States. This will be the time before beginning of Daniel's 70th week.

"...Israel gained independence in 1948. Since then, many people have immigrated to Israel. This country has received 350 percent of the population over the past 60 years. Characterizing the population of present-day Israel, Scripture says: these are people “that were returned from all nations whither they had bene driuen, to dwell in the land of Iudah” (Jer.43:5). Currently, the population of Israel has exceeded 9 million.

In the near future, “Out of the North an euill shal breake foorth vpon all the inhabitants of the land” (Jer.1:14). Someone will die of hunger and sword; others will go prisoner. A “remnant of Iudah” (Jer.40:11), after the defeat of the land by the people of the north, will go to the USA, “into the land of Egypt” (Jer.43:7). Again they will not listen to “the voyce of the Lord”. Although His answer will be announced to them through the Evangelist (Jer.42). This will happen in 2032. 84 years will pass since independence. Israel, like Anna a Prophetess, will have reached “of a great age” by that time (Luke.2:36). With her husband, Israel will only live the last seven years of the harvest. This will be the last seventieth week of Daniel (Dan.9:27). The one she will have is not her husband at all, as it will be turned out later (John.4:18)..." A righteous branch, Part 1
 

Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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My friend Paul Forrest made a good observation:

"The media has got people acting like Pavlov's dogs. The networks tell us whose side we're on, and the public instantly develop an opinion and act with evangelistic zeal in criticizing the "bad guys"."

And it seems that Christians are especially swayed by the propaganda machine. But what about Palestine and Yemen? They also are being bombed, Palestine with sickening regularity by Israel?

We do not have the same anger about those unfortunates because the media does not include them in their "Two Minute Hate".
I agree with your pointing out of the hypocrisy, and also agree 100% with you media comments.

However, I am of the position that there are folks in Palestine that need to be bombed. I also don't harbor the idea that "Civilians" are sacrosanct in war anymore. Collateral damage occurs in war. Every country does it.

But I did not arrive at that conclusion via the MSM as too many do.
 

kyredneck

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folks in Palestine that need to be bombed

Remember the Dispy fairy tale book series "Left Behind"? These "folks in Palestine" were the REAL 'left behind' folks. The Zionists are killing their own blood kin:

The shared genetic heritage of Jews and Palestinians
"...The classic study dates to 2000, from a team lead by Michael Hammer of University of Arizona. They looked at Y-chromosome haplotypes – this is the genetic material passed from father to son down the generations.

What they revealed was that Arabs and Jews are essentially a single population, and that Palestinians are slap bang in the middle of the different Jewish populations ...."

"Another team, lead by Almut Nebel at the Hebrew University, Jerusalem, took a closer look in 2001. They found that Jewish lineages essentially bracket Muslim Kurds, but they were also very closely related to Palestinians. In fact, what their analysis suggested was that Palestinians were identical to Jews, but with a small mix of Arab genes – what you would expect if they were originally from the same stock, but that Palestinians had mixed a little with Arab immigrants...."

Palestinians, Jews share common genetic lineage
"...“The closest genetic neighbors to most Jewish groups were the Palestinians, Israeli Bedouins, and Druze in addition to the Southern Europeans, including Cypriots,” as Ostrer and Skorecki wrote in a review of their findings that they co-authored in the journal Human Genetics in October 2012...."

Do the Palestinians have Jewish Roots?
"...not only do many Jews and Palestinians share remarkably similar DNA, there are also numerous customs and even names that overlap..."

"...Tsvi Misinai, an Israeli businessman who writes and speaks extensively about the connection between the Palestinians and the Jews. He claims that nearly 90 percent of all Palestinians are descended from Jews who remained in Israel after the destruction of Second Temple 2,000 years ago, but were forced to convert to Islam.

According to Misinai, the Hebrew ancestors of the Palestinians were rural mountain dwellers who were allowed to remain in the land in order to supply Rome with grain and olive oil.

While Misinai is an advocate of this theory, he’s not the only scholar or even political figure to claim a Jewish connection for the Palestinians. The first president of Israel, Yitzhak Ben-Zvi as well as former Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion, wrote several books and articles on the subject.

Ben-Tzvi suggested that Jews who remained in the Land of Israel “loved the land so much that they were willing to give up their religion.” The reference is to an edict in the year 1012 by Caliph el-Hakim who ordered non-Muslims to either convert or leave. The decree was revoked just 32 years later, but it was too late for most of the converts. Only 27 percent returned to Judaism openly and even they remained Musta’arabi (culturally and linguistically Arab)....."
 

Mikey

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An interesting article from a christian journalist Peter Hitchens. I think it is well worth a read.

"I know that Ukraine's army has used severe force against Russian civilians in the Don Basin since 2014. The Russians have done dreadful things there, too, but there are plenty of people who will tell you that. The point is that this is not a contest of saints versus sinners, or of Mordor versus the Shire."

In the long-ago summer of 2010, I found myself in the beautiful harbour of Sevastopol, surveying the rival fleets of Russia and Ukraine as they rode at anchor in the lovely Crimean sunshine. One great fortress was adorned with banners proclaiming 'Glory to the Ukrainian Navy!' Another frowning bastion across the water bore the words 'Glory to the Russian Navy!'
In the streets of that elegant city, with its porticoes and statues and monuments to repeated wars, sailors from the two fleets mingled on the pavements.

The Russians looked like Russians, with their huge hats and Edwardian uniforms. The Ukrainians looked more like the US Navy on shore leave in San Diego. It was almost funny to see. I hoped at that time that it would work out well. For the Ukrainians had begun to be silly. In a country crammed with Russians, they were trying to make Russian a second-class language. Russians who had lived there happily for decades were pressured to take Ukrainian citizenship and adopt Ukrainian versions of their Christian names.

The schools were promoting a national hero, Stepan Bandera, who Russians strongly disliked and regarded as a terrorist. And they were teaching history which often had an anti-Russian tinge. Quite a few people told me they felt put upon by these policies. Why couldn't they just be left alone?

Until that point, Ukraine had been a reasonably harmonious country in its 20-odd years of existence. After that visit I saw big trouble coming, both in the Crimea and in the Don Basin, where I also travelled that year. Far out among the abandoned slagheaps of the dying coalfields, I found the decaying semi-deserted town of Gorlovka, now in the midst of an unofficial war-zone, where it has been since 2014. This town had been officially renamed Horlivka by Ukraine in its high-handed way, though hardly anybody I met there called it that. Gorlovka in those days still hosted the rather pleasant Cafe Barnsley, the last echo of the Soviet days when Gorlovka had been twinned with Barnsley in a gesture of Communist solidarity with Arthur Scargill's miners.

I remember, that boiling hot, almost silent afternoon, enjoying a Russian beer there, while listening to music from a Russian station on the radio. I wrote rather vaguely at the time that the people of Crimea and Donbas were hoping for – and expecting – a Russian future.

I thought that if Ukraine wanted to be a rigid ethnic nationalist state, then some sort of peaceful deal with its Russian minority was going to be needed. Little did I know what passions I had touched on. I was amazed to find that I had done something wicked and subversive. The article was attacked as a 'dismaying lapse' by my old friend Edward Lucas, a fine journalist with whom I had spent happy times reporting the collapse of the Soviet Empire, way back in the 1980s. I especially recall a joyous celebratory dinner with him and others in the decayed 1950s splendours of the Jalta Hotel on Wenceslas Square in Prague, on the freezing night when the Communist regime finally died there.

I replied to his rebuke by warning that 'the conventional wisdom is mistaken, that the open-mouthed sycophantic coverage of such events as the 'Orange Revolution' has done us no favours, and that the future in this part of the world is far from settled and we should perhaps prepare for further turmoil rather than imagine that we have opened a Golden Road of peace and prosperity for ever'.

I asked: 'Are the Anglosphere nations right to treat Russia as a perpetual threat and pariah long after its global ambitions have collapsed and its military power has rusted away? Its regime is miserable. But then so is that of China, with which we seek good relations.'

You see, I have been making this point for a very long time. But it never seems to do any good. In fact, I am accused of being a 'Russian shill' or even a traitor, of parroting Russian propaganda, or things of that kind. These insults make little impact on me personally because I know they are not true and I have, over the past 30 years been insulted by experts of all kinds. It is normal, if you do what I do.

But such behaviour makes it harder for the country to keep a level head. In the atmosphere of the last few days, I half-expect to be presented with a white feather on the street by a beautiful young woman, because I refuse to join in the war hysteria now gripping the country. And it is hysteria. I have heard a respected MP calling for the deportation of all Russians from this country – all of them. I have heard crazy people calling for a 'no-fly zone' in Ukraine. If they got their way it would mean a terrible and immediate European war. I suspect they do not even know what they are calling for. Can you all please call off this carnival of hypocrisy?

I cannot join in it. I know too much. I know that our policy of Nato expansion – which we had promised not to do and which we knew infuriated Russians – played its part in bringing about this crisis.

I know that Ukraine's current government, now treated as if it was almost holy, was brought into being by a mob putsch openly backed by the USA in 2014. I know that the much-admired President Zelensky in February 2021 closed down three opposition TV stations on the grounds of 'national security'. They went dark that night. I know that the opposition politician Viktor Medvedchuk was put under house arrest last year on a charge of treason. Isn't this the sort of thing Putin does?

I know that Ukraine's army has used severe force against Russian civilians in the Don Basin since 2014. The Russians have done dreadful things there, too, but there are plenty of people who will tell you that. The point is that this is not a contest of saints versus sinners, or of Mordor versus the Shire.

I also find it awkward that, when Britain and the USA rightly denounced Putin's illegal invasion of a sovereign country, they seemed to have forgotten that we gave him the idea, by doing this in Iraq in 2003. Unlike them I can truly claim to have opposed both these actions. I tire of being told that Nato is purely defensive alliance when we know it bombed Serbia in 1999, incidentally killing civilians, when Serbia had not attacked a Nato member.

I also don't recall Libya attacking a Nato member before that 'defensive' alliance launched the air war on Tripoli which also killed civilians, children included, and turned that country into a cauldron of chaos, benefiting nobody.

And then there's the other thing that sticks in my gullet. The countries of the West have egged Ukraine on into a confrontation with Russia which has predictably ended in Putin's barbaric invasion. But while we stand and cheer at a safe distance, the Ukrainians are the ones who get shelled, bombed, besieged and driven from their homes. Is this honourable? Does sentimental praise for their bravery make up for it?

I would like to end with two quotations. The first is from the American Civil War General William Tecumseh Sherman who said: 'I am sick and tired of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell.'

The other is from the 'Benedictus' in the Church of England's 1662 Book of Common Prayer, which asks God 'to give light to them that sit in darkness, and in the shadow of death, and to guide our feet into the way of peace', which I fervently pray, for I am not sure that anything else will now do any good.


PETER HITCHENS: One glorious day in Sevastopol 12 years ago, I saw what was coming. That's why I won't join this carnival of hypocrisy - Mail Online - Peter Hitchens blog
 

Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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An interesting article from a christian journalist Peter Hitchens. I think it is well worth a read.

"I know that Ukraine's army has used severe force against Russian civilians in the Don Basin since 2014. The Russians have done dreadful things there, too, but there are plenty of people who will tell you that. The point is that this is not a contest of saints versus sinners, or of Mordor versus the Shire."

In the long-ago summer of 2010, I found myself in the beautiful harbour of Sevastopol, surveying the rival fleets of Russia and Ukraine as they rode at anchor in the lovely Crimean sunshine. One great fortress was adorned with banners proclaiming 'Glory to the Ukrainian Navy!' Another frowning bastion across the water bore the words 'Glory to the Russian Navy!'
In the streets of that elegant city, with its porticoes and statues and monuments to repeated wars, sailors from the two fleets mingled on the pavements.

The Russians looked like Russians, with their huge hats and Edwardian uniforms. The Ukrainians looked more like the US Navy on shore leave in San Diego. It was almost funny to see. I hoped at that time that it would work out well. For the Ukrainians had begun to be silly. In a country crammed with Russians, they were trying to make Russian a second-class language. Russians who had lived there happily for decades were pressured to take Ukrainian citizenship and adopt Ukrainian versions of their Christian names.

The schools were promoting a national hero, Stepan Bandera, who Russians strongly disliked and regarded as a terrorist. And they were teaching history which often had an anti-Russian tinge. Quite a few people told me they felt put upon by these policies. Why couldn't they just be left alone?

Until that point, Ukraine had been a reasonably harmonious country in its 20-odd years of existence. After that visit I saw big trouble coming, both in the Crimea and in the Don Basin, where I also travelled that year. Far out among the abandoned slagheaps of the dying coalfields, I found the decaying semi-deserted town of Gorlovka, now in the midst of an unofficial war-zone, where it has been since 2014. This town had been officially renamed Horlivka by Ukraine in its high-handed way, though hardly anybody I met there called it that. Gorlovka in those days still hosted the rather pleasant Cafe Barnsley, the last echo of the Soviet days when Gorlovka had been twinned with Barnsley in a gesture of Communist solidarity with Arthur Scargill's miners.

I remember, that boiling hot, almost silent afternoon, enjoying a Russian beer there, while listening to music from a Russian station on the radio. I wrote rather vaguely at the time that the people of Crimea and Donbas were hoping for – and expecting – a Russian future.

I thought that if Ukraine wanted to be a rigid ethnic nationalist state, then some sort of peaceful deal with its Russian minority was going to be needed. Little did I know what passions I had touched on. I was amazed to find that I had done something wicked and subversive. The article was attacked as a 'dismaying lapse' by my old friend Edward Lucas, a fine journalist with whom I had spent happy times reporting the collapse of the Soviet Empire, way back in the 1980s. I especially recall a joyous celebratory dinner with him and others in the decayed 1950s splendours of the Jalta Hotel on Wenceslas Square in Prague, on the freezing night when the Communist regime finally died there.

I replied to his rebuke by warning that 'the conventional wisdom is mistaken, that the open-mouthed sycophantic coverage of such events as the 'Orange Revolution' has done us no favours, and that the future in this part of the world is far from settled and we should perhaps prepare for further turmoil rather than imagine that we have opened a Golden Road of peace and prosperity for ever'.

I asked: 'Are the Anglosphere nations right to treat Russia as a perpetual threat and pariah long after its global ambitions have collapsed and its military power has rusted away? Its regime is miserable. But then so is that of China, with which we seek good relations.'

You see, I have been making this point for a very long time. But it never seems to do any good. In fact, I am accused of being a 'Russian shill' or even a traitor, of parroting Russian propaganda, or things of that kind. These insults make little impact on me personally because I know they are not true and I have, over the past 30 years been insulted by experts of all kinds. It is normal, if you do what I do.

But such behaviour makes it harder for the country to keep a level head. In the atmosphere of the last few days, I half-expect to be presented with a white feather on the street by a beautiful young woman, because I refuse to join in the war hysteria now gripping the country. And it is hysteria. I have heard a respected MP calling for the deportation of all Russians from this country – all of them. I have heard crazy people calling for a 'no-fly zone' in Ukraine. If they got their way it would mean a terrible and immediate European war. I suspect they do not even know what they are calling for. Can you all please call off this carnival of hypocrisy?

I cannot join in it. I know too much. I know that our policy of Nato expansion – which we had promised not to do and which we knew infuriated Russians – played its part in bringing about this crisis.

I know that Ukraine's current government, now treated as if it was almost holy, was brought into being by a mob putsch openly backed by the USA in 2014. I know that the much-admired President Zelensky in February 2021 closed down three opposition TV stations on the grounds of 'national security'. They went dark that night. I know that the opposition politician Viktor Medvedchuk was put under house arrest last year on a charge of treason. Isn't this the sort of thing Putin does?

I know that Ukraine's army has used severe force against Russian civilians in the Don Basin since 2014. The Russians have done dreadful things there, too, but there are plenty of people who will tell you that. The point is that this is not a contest of saints versus sinners, or of Mordor versus the Shire.

I also find it awkward that, when Britain and the USA rightly denounced Putin's illegal invasion of a sovereign country, they seemed to have forgotten that we gave him the idea, by doing this in Iraq in 2003. Unlike them I can truly claim to have opposed both these actions. I tire of being told that Nato is purely defensive alliance when we know it bombed Serbia in 1999, incidentally killing civilians, when Serbia had not attacked a Nato member.

I also don't recall Libya attacking a Nato member before that 'defensive' alliance launched the air war on Tripoli which also killed civilians, children included, and turned that country into a cauldron of chaos, benefiting nobody.

And then there's the other thing that sticks in my gullet. The countries of the West have egged Ukraine on into a confrontation with Russia which has predictably ended in Putin's barbaric invasion. But while we stand and cheer at a safe distance, the Ukrainians are the ones who get shelled, bombed, besieged and driven from their homes. Is this honourable? Does sentimental praise for their bravery make up for it?

I would like to end with two quotations. The first is from the American Civil War General William Tecumseh Sherman who said: 'I am sick and tired of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell.'

The other is from the 'Benedictus' in the Church of England's 1662 Book of Common Prayer, which asks God 'to give light to them that sit in darkness, and in the shadow of death, and to guide our feet into the way of peace', which I fervently pray, for I am not sure that anything else will now do any good.


PETER HITCHENS: One glorious day in Sevastopol 12 years ago, I saw what was coming. That's why I won't join this carnival of hypocrisy - Mail Online - Peter Hitchens blog
It's almost like those of us that aren't automatically cheerleading for Ukraine and are pushing for U.S neutrality on this conflict might have some sound reasons for doing so.
 

Revmitchell

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It's almost like those of us that aren't automatically cheerleading for Ukraine and are pushing for U.S neutrality on this conflict might have some sound reasons for doing so.

Here is the thing, We made an agreement with Ukraine to lend a hand if they gave up their nukes. Now Ukraine did not go after Russian and start a war. Quite the opposite. While they have had some corruption in the past that is not relevant to this. We gave our word.
 

canadyjd

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Here is the thing, We made an agreement with Ukraine to lend a hand if they gave up their nukes. Now Ukraine did not go after Russian and start a war. Quite the opposite. While they have had some corruption in the past that is not relevant to this. We gave our word.
That is exactly right. We have a treaty with Ukraine, ratified by the US Senate, to give them aid if Russia violates their territory.

peace to you
 
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