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What about the doctrine of Original Sin?

utilyan

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You mean that man is flawed and corruptible. Now did G~D intentionally make humans flawed and then are humans intentionally corrupt able?

I told God clearly there is nothing more Totally Depraved than loving everything that is Good, Like loving all people and having complete mercy for all things. He replied, "this is true, Totally Depraved of all that is Evil.".
 

37818

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You mean that man is flawed and corruptible. Now did G~D intentionally make humans flawed and then are humans intentionally corrupt able?
So am I to understand that God in making man in His image that He should have made man equal to God being infinitely good?
 

Yeshua1

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So am I to understand that God in making man in His image that He should have made man equal to God being infinitely good?
Bible states that Adam and Eve were created without sin natures, were morally pure
 

Van

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I can agree with your statement, yet being sinners, from conception Ps 51:5, that in bold will not save us out of death, the wages of sin, we will be saved because of, to the for grace through the faith.

Now here is what I believe, "to the for grace through the faith," to be, that saves thge sinner out of death.

through being a Son, did learn by the things which he suffered -- the obedience, (the faith) and having been made perfect, (to the for grace, raised him out of the dead) he did become to all those obeying him a cause (author) of salvation age-during, Heb 5:8,9

and in fashion having been found as a man, he humbled himself, having become obedient unto death (the faith) -- death even of a cross, wherefore, also, God did highly exalt him, (to the for grace, raised him out of the dead) and gave to him a name that is above every name,

After all, it is the death and resurrection of him by which we are saved is it not?

1) Obedience is not "the faith." Obedience refers to faithfulness to God's will, no matter the price. Christ was faithful even to death.

2) Make no mistake, if Jesus had not been sinless, His death would not have met the redemption price.
 

percho

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1) Obedience is not "the faith." Obedience refers to faithfulness to God's will, no matter the price. Christ was faithful even to death.

2) Make no mistake, if Jesus had not been sinless, His death would not have met the redemption price.

I agree that he had to be sinless even to the point of, resisting unto blood, striving against sin, in the garden.

Now, keeping in mind that to date, Jesus and Jesus alone is the only man, born of woman who died and has been raised out of the dead, the one God (The Father I assume) appointed heir of all things. Who do you think the promise of God, who cannot not lie, was made for? The hope of eternal life? To date, who and who only of all men born of woman has inherited eternal life?

Whose faith did the obedient Son, become that allowed men, under the schoolmaster, to no longer be under the schoolmaster?

And before the coming of the faith, under law we were being kept, shut up to the faith about to be revealed, so that the law became our child-conductor -- to Christ, that by faith we may be declared righteous, and the faith having come, no more under a child-conductor are we, GaL 3:23-25

Was it the obedience of the Word made flesh unto death, shedding his blood, that was, the faith, that took them out from being under the child conductor?

that having been declared righteous by His grace, heirs we may become according to the hope of life age-during. Titus 3:7

I know, no Greek. Does the Greek tense there have the same implication of Romans 6:5,8,9
For, if we have become planted together to the likeness of his death, so also we shall be of the rising again;
And if we died with Christ, we believe that we also shall live with him,
knowing that Christ, having been raised up out of the dead, doth no more die, death over him hath no more lordship;

Joint heirs with Christ who inherited at his resurrection.
 

utilyan

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A child could answer this one...the inspired ones.
Is there anything else profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness?
"A child could answer this one...the inspired ones."
Child said Green Eggs and Ham was divinely inspired.

"Is there anything else profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness?"
Having eyeballs to read is very PROFITABLE.
A dictionary is Profitable, so you won't think PROFITABLE means "required".
 

Aaron

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"A child could answer this one...the inspired ones."
Child said Green Eggs and Ham was divinely inspired.

"Is there anything else profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness?"
Having eyeballs to read is very PROFITABLE.
A dictionary is Profitable, so you won't think PROFITABLE means "required".
You're a typical neophyte if you're even a believer at all. You fancy yourself a teacher not having a grasp of even the rudimentary things of faith or the Spirit. If you did, you would know 'bodily exercise profiteth little,' and you wouldn't describe Seuss as 'god-breathed.'

You need a lot more time sucking at the paps before you presume to engage adults on the issues.
 

Van

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I agree that he had to be sinless even to the point of, resisting unto blood, striving against sin, in the garden.

Now, keeping in mind that to date, Jesus and Jesus alone is the only man, born of woman who died and has been raised out of the dead, the one God (The Father I assume) appointed heir of all things. Who do you think the promise of God, who cannot not lie, was made for? The hope of eternal life? To date, who and who only of all men born of woman has inherited eternal life?

Whose faith did the obedient Son, become that allowed men, under the schoolmaster, to no longer be under the schoolmaster?

And before the coming of the faith, under law we were being kept, shut up to the faith about to be revealed, so that the law became our child-conductor -- to Christ, that by faith we may be declared righteous, and the faith having come, no more under a child-conductor are we, GaL 3:23-25

Was it the obedience of the Word made flesh unto death, shedding his blood, that was, the faith, that took them out from being under the child conductor?

that having been declared righteous by His grace, heirs we may become according to the hope of life age-during. Titus 3:7

I know, no Greek. Does the Greek tense there have the same implication of Romans 6:5,8,9
For, if we have become planted together to the likeness of his death, so also we shall be of the rising again;
And if we died with Christ, we believe that we also shall live with him,
knowing that Christ, having been raised up out of the dead, doth no more die, death over him hath no more lordship;

Joint heirs with Christ who inherited at his resurrection.

1) Every born anew believer has been made eternally alive spiritually, and we are heirs of our promised bodily redemption.

2) The promise of Eternal live, made in John 3:16 was made to everyone God chooses to place spiritually into Christ.

3) Galatians 3:24-25 "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." Thus "the faith" refers to Christ, our Lord and our God, the person believers put their own faith upon.

4) Our faith upon Christ did not make us "no longer under the Law." Our transfer into Christ made us no longer under the schoolmaster to lead us to Christ. We arrived!

5) Not sure what verse has a tense that you want explained. Titus 3:7 says, past tense, we have been made heirs (because we are born anew children of God). How were we made heirs, children of God? We were born anew within Christ spiritually, and therefore we have been justified by His grace.

6) I was unable to discern your last question, but to repeat, we (born anew believers) became by our rebirth, children of God and thus heirs to God's promise of eternal life and bodily redemption. John 1:12-13. Romans 8:23
 

utilyan

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You're a typical neophyte if you're even a believer at all. You fancy yourself a teacher not having a grasp of even the rudimentary things of faith or the Spirit. If you did, you would know 'bodily exercise profiteth little,' and you wouldn't describe Seuss as 'god-breathed.'

You need a lot more time sucking at the paps before you presume to engage adults on the issues.

Good. At least you moved on from believing I need to be zapped by God.
 

percho

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1) Every born anew believer has been made eternally alive spiritually, and we are heirs of our promised bodily redemption.

2) The promise of Eternal live, made in John 3:16 was made to everyone God chooses to place spiritually into Christ.

3) Galatians 3:24-25 "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." Thus "the faith" refers to Christ, our Lord and our God, the person believers put their own faith upon.

4) Our faith upon Christ did not make us "no longer under the Law." Our transfer into Christ made us no longer under the schoolmaster to lead us to Christ. We arrived!

5) Not sure what verse has a tense that you want explained. Titus 3:7 says, past tense, we have been made heirs (because we are born anew children of God). How were we made heirs, children of God? We were born anew within Christ spiritually, and therefore we have been justified by His grace.

6) I was unable to discern your last question, but to repeat, we (born anew believers) became by our rebirth, children of God and thus heirs to God's promise of eternal life and bodily redemption. John 1:12-13. Romans 8:23

And before the coming of the faith, under law we were being kept, shut up to the faith about to be revealed, so that the law became our child-conductor -- to Christ, that by faith we may be declared righteous, and the faith having come, no more under a child-conductor are we, GaL 3:23-25

Somehow I do not think that says, we arrived.

Methinks it says another, noun, arrived. The faith.

Question. Could anyone even have been translated, into Christ, before the death and resurrection and the glorification of Christ and the receiving of the promise of the Holy Spirit?

'This Jesus did God raise up, of which we are all witnesses; at the right hand then of God having been exalted -- also the promise of the Holy Spirit having received from the Father -- he was shedding forth this, which now ye see and hear; Acts 2:32,33
and this he said of the Spirit, which those believing in him were about to receive; for not yet was the Holy Spirit, because Jesus was not yet glorified. John 7:39
 

Van

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Edited for Content

Methinks it says another, noun, arrived. The faith.

Question. Could anyone even have been translated, into Christ, before the death and resurrection and the glorification of Christ and the receiving of the promise of the Holy Spirit?
1) To repeat Galatians 3:24-25 indicates those transferred (not translated) into Christ have arrived in Christ, and therefore are no longer under the schoolmaster to lead them to Christ.

2) Of course "the Faith" refers in this context to Christ's incarnation.

3) No one was transferred into Christ before Christ's sacrifice, that is why Hebrews 11:39-40 says the OT Saints did not receive the promise, they had to wait in Abraham's bosom.
 

Aaron

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Good. At least you moved on from believing I need to be zapped by God.
Where did I ever say zapped? I don't recall, but I may have said slapped, as in slapped on the bottom at a new birth to get your lungs full of the Spirit. I very well may have implied you need to be born ....

But I don't recall ever saying zapped. :Thumbsdown I could be wrong, though.
 
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