What about the IFB Baptist group?

[matt wade]

The IFB churches who worship in darkness are primarily in the South, though they have attempted to spread to the four corners of the country. The several dozen that I am personally familiar with would all fall under the heading of "religious wacko's". Having said that, I did live in Pennsylvania for three years, and found the Independent Baptist in the area to be a breath of fresh air. I think each person's point or view depends upon the part of the country in which we live.

The IFB's in our area are as blinded & cultish as any unchristian religion you care to name. Anyone's lack experience with these hardened legalists does not negate the fact that they do exist & that they exist in great numbers. Christ & Paul attacked the Pharisees & their false doctrine without apology & without fear; some of us will follow their example & expose the dangers of the Pharisees of our day.

Have any examples?

I live in Jacksonville, Florida. There are a plethora of IFB churches in this city. I've visited or know someone that attends many of them. I've only found one that I would consider legalistic. I'll call it out, it's First Conservative Baptist Church.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

The IFB churches who worship in darkness are primarily in the South, though they have attempted to spread to the four corners of the country. The several dozen that I am personally familiar with would all fall under the heading of "religious wacko's". Having said that, I did live in Pennsylvania for three years, and found the Independent Baptist in the area to be a breath of fresh air. I think each person's point or view depends upon the part of the country in which we live.

The IFB's in our area are as blinded & cultish as any unchristian religion you care to name. Anyone's lack experience with these hardened legalists does not negate the fact that they do exist & that they exist in great numbers. Christ & Paul attacked the Pharisees & their false doctrine without apology & without fear; some of us will follow their example & expose the dangers of the Pharisees of our day.

Hmm, I spent most of my Christian life before Ireland in southern IFB churches. Though I don't agree with some of their imposition of standards I know that they are not, by any stretch of the imagination, in darkness.

 

[TCassidy]

The IFB's in our area are as blinded & cultish as any unchristian religion you care to name. Anyone's lack experience with these hardened legalists does not negate the fact that they do exist & that they exist in great numbers. Christ & Paul attacked the Pharisees & their false doctrine without apology & without fear; some of us will follow their example & expose the dangers of the Pharisees of our day.

What Christ and Paul did NOT do was say "Christians are heretics and abusers." The problem with this thread is that two of the participants are saying IFBs are legalists, unloving dictators, and in darkness. Nobody has suggested that some, few, are exactly that, but what we object to is the broad brushing by saying that IFBs are such and so. What should be said is that some wacko IFBs, as well as some wacko SBCs, ABCs, NBCs, etc. are such and so. To broadly brush IFBs as such is dishonest, unbiblical, and ignorant in the extreme.

 

[michael-acts17:11]

Mathew 15:8-9 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


Mark 7:7-9 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Mathew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.


Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.(Not by works or standards)

1John 2:9-11 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes. (The cornerstone of Southern Fundamentalism is the condemnation & demonization of other churches & ALL non-IFB groups)

Gal 3:1-3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? (To which, if they were honest, the IFB's would say "YES!")

 

[Salty]

Note: this is T's first post on this thread

Another ignorant attempt to smear all IFBs with the broad brush of the Xers..

I never said that ALL IFB are to be painted with a broad bush. I never said your church is legalistic.
But then again "legalistic" is a variaible term.
I am sure there are standards in your church you believe to be Biblical, that other would simply see as legalistic. Doesent mean that either is necessarlily worng. Just a difference of opinion.
And some of those differences, I can live with - some I will not.

Our church is Independent. Not lorded over by a man made ecclesiastical hierarchy.

From my persepective this is an insuitation that groups such as the SBC have a hierarchy - which is absoutely incorrect. It could be you did not mean it that way, but it appeared you simply painted a broad bush over non-IFB.

Our church is Fundamental. We believe in the Fundamentals of the Faith.

1. The Deity of Christ
2. The Virgin Birth
3. The Blood Atonement
4. The Bodily Resurrection
5. The Inspiration/infallibility of the Scriptures.

Our church is Baptist. We hold to the Baptist Distinctives. (of B.A.P.T.I.S.T.) ...

(note paratharises above are mine -for sake of saving space)
Likewise, I as my church ( and many if not most of the Baptists on this board) also belive in the Fundamentals of the Faith your listed above.

So my question is "What in carnation are we aruging about?

If its standars - than we must realize that we each may have a different interpation.

I'm not sure if you commented on my previous post of certian activities, if so, please bear with me and just give a quick comment on the activities listed below.

Beards on Men
Card playing
CCM
Christian Rock
Dancing
Long Hair on Men
Mixed Swimming
Movies
Pants for womenEating in the church Sanactiuary
Racial inter-marriage
Secondary Seperation
Short skirts on Women
Social Drinking



Check "Standards of Conduct"