What About The Sabbath?! Many Baptists Do not Keep the Sabbath ..Why???l

[HankD]

But Genesis 2:3 still stands.

Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Just as a pont of interest, Genesis 2:3 does not use the word "Sabbath". Indeed the word "sabbath" is not used anywhere in Genesis, It is not until the giving of the Law to Israel does the Scripture identify the seventh day (yom HaSheb-ee-ee) as the Sabbath (Ha Shabbat). It is not until the giving of the Law to Israel is there any detail given concerning how the Sabbath is to be kept.

HankD

 

[HankD]

How far are we willing to follow Christ's example in Sabbath observance?

Matthew 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

 

[Graceforever]

Originally posted by Caretaker:
1) In the days of Creation, God created the first six days, notated by the distinction, "morning and evening". God rested on the seventh day and there is no distinction, "morning and evening", connoting that the seventh day did not end, until sin entered in.

2) Nowhere in Genesis is Sabbath mentioned.

3) Jesus fulfilled the Law, and He is our Sabbath 24/7.


A servant of Christ,
Drew

I agree with you on this Caretaker....

 

[Graceforever]

Originally posted by Ben W:
Yet the Early Church kept the Sabbath, Acts 13:42-44.

There were a lot of Jews in the early church.... Paul were to all men all things… Jewish descendants kept the Jewish commandments…

We as Gentiles had no such commandments... We were to keep ourselves from idols, fornication, from things strangled and from blood... No other commandments were we to observe... As Bob says, we are not bound to the old law.... Oh happy day....

 

[Pastor Chet]

Originally posted by Caretaker:
1) In the days of Creation, God created the first six days, notated by the distinction, "morning and evening". God rested on the seventh day and there is no distinction, "morning and evening", connoting that the seventh day did not end, until sin entered in.

so you don't believe the seventh day was a literal 24 hour period like the first six days. That makes for a odd week.

 

[Ben W]

Graceforever,

Notice that God in Genesis 2:3 consecrates the Seventh Day to all men prior to the arrival of the Jewish Laws. Hence the Seventh Day is for all Gentiles.

 

[HankD]

RE: Genesis 2:3.
There is no commandment to "keep" the sabbath in the Book of Genesis.

The first commandment(s) given to man is in verse 16

Genesis 2
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

No sabbath commandment, general or detailed was given to man until the Law of Moses was given.

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

HankD

 

[Pastor Chet]

No sabbath commandment, general or detailed was given to man until the Law of Moses was given.

Exodus 16:23-30
And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the Lord: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning. 24And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein. 25And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the Lord: to day ye shall not find it in the field. 26Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
27And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none. 28And the Lord said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws? 29See, for that the Lord hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day. 30So the people rested on the seventh day.
It seems like the sabbath was in effect before the Law at Mt Sinai in Exodus 20.

 

[HankD]

Dear Pastor Chet,

You responded to my post with ...

It seems like the sabbath was in effect before the Law at Mt Sinai in Exodus 20

Exodus 20 is not the beginning of the giving of the Law. Many elements of the giving of the Law (Torah) are presented before Exodus 20.

The Passover "keeping" instructions begin in Exodus 12 for instance.

Granted the Sabbath was given a special place for the Hebrews in the Law of Moses as well as the Passover.

Our Father has provided Christ as our Passover lamb as well as our "rest".

HankD

 

[Istherenotacause]

The seven day workweek is just that. If you want to meet with Moses on the 7th day go ahead, but Jesus meets with His disciples on the first day.

To remain in the seven day workweek is bondage, work is bondage, is it not?

Jesus said the is a time that man will not be able to work. To try and say there is no 8th day is foolish, since the Day of the Lord is that 8th day, when the work here on earth is done!

"Love,Liberation, and the Law" is a good reference by J.Vernon McGee on this subject of the Sabbath, I can read his books without being "baaah-thuhd" by the way he "tawks".

 

[Pastor Chet]

Exodus 20 is not the beginning of the giving of the Law. Many elements of the giving of the Law (Torah) are presented before Exodus 20.

That's true Hank. As matter of fact Cain and Abel seemed to know about sacrifices,Abraham paid tithes to Michilsedech,Noah was given a distinction between clean and unclean animals for the Ark.All this took place way back in Genesis.,About 2500 years or so before the Exodus
in Christ
chet

 

[Pastor Chet]

To try and say there is no 8th day is foolish, since the Day of the Lord is that 8th day, when the work here on earth is done!

It may be foolish to you ,but there is no 8th day in scripture that corresponds to a weekly cycle.If there was then the 8th day would change every week.first on Sunday then next week on Monday,then Tuesday etc.

chet

 

[HankD]

That's true Hank. As matter of fact Cain and Abel seemed to know about sacrifices,Abraham paid tithes to Michilsedech,Noah was given a distinction between clean and unclean animals for the Ark.All this took place way back in Genesis.,About 2500 years or so before the Exodus
in Christ
chet

Pastor Chet, we are in agreement again.
Twice in a week, that's a record.

HankD

 

[Istherenotacause]

Originally posted by Pastor Chet:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> To try and say there is no 8th day is foolish, since the Day of the Lord is that 8th day, when the work here on earth is done!

It may be foolish to you ,but there is no 8th day in scripture that corresponds to a weekly cycle.If there was then the 8th day would change every week.first on Sunday then next week on Monday,then Tuesday etc.

chet </font>[/QUOTE]Really now? Explain to me the Lord's Day, and why then is circumcision to be performed on the 8th day. Also explain that a day with the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day. Then please tell me what day of the Lord's week it will be after Revelation 22:20. Then explain how it is there will never be any night there? A new heavens and a new earth, but the sun is never mentioned again, Hmmmm? Jesus is that Light and in Him is no darkness at all, neither shadow of turning! Hmmm?

Man's week has only 7 days, but the Lord has added His Day, the 8th/New Beginning. I have absolutely no problem with Genesis, but it seems so many get hung up on the 7 day week, failing to see the continuous cycle sin has until God's intervention into man's realm of thinking.

Like I've said before, the Lord showed me this about the 8th day many years ago, it's not some new revelation only truth concerning eternity. That eternal day/ the Lord's day.

In His Holy Service,

Brother Ricky

 

[Ben W]

Exodus 31:16 "Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout there generations for a perpetual covenant".

Any Jewish person that has become a Christian is still a "Child of Israel"

God states that the Isreali Sabbath is both "Perpetual" and "Continuing throught their Generations".

The early church kept the Sabbath. Good reason seeing as there were many Messianic Jews amongst them.

God say that the Sabbath is Perpetual and Continuing. Either of those terms indicate that it can be changed. God started the process for all the generations.

So why would the early church do away with the sabbath when the Torah states that it is perpetual and Ongoing throughout the generations of Israel? Messianic Judaism is the right and proper fufilment of Mosiac Judaism.

Gentiles are "Grafted in" to the church. A Church that kept the sabbath until the Roman Catholic Church changed the Sabbath and introduced the Doctrine of Sunday Sabbath Keeping.

Interesting that the Catholic Church would want to change the Sabbath.

What does Daniel say about this idea?

Daniel 7:25 "And he shall speak great words against the Most High, and shall wear outthe saints of the Most High, and think to CHANGE TIMES and laws; and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times until the dividing of time".

 

[HankD]

What does Daniel say about this idea?

Assumption.

Fact: the word "Sabbath" is not mentioned in Daniel.

HankD

 

[Pastor Chet]

That's true Hank
sabbath isn't mentioned in Daniel. That passage is talking about the Anti-Christ during the 70th week of Daniel,which I believe is future. But Isiah 66 indicates that all flesh will worship the Lord on the Sabbath during the Millenium. So do you believe the Sabbath is only done away with till the Millenium begins or how do you understand Isaiah 66, espescially verse 23 Surely all flesh means everyone
chet

 

[HankD]

Pastor Chet,

You said...

So do you believe the Sabbath is only done away with till the Millenium begins or how do you understand Isaiah 66, espescially verse 23 Surely all flesh means everyone

It does appear that the Law of Moses will be re-instituted (at least to Israel but perhaps for all nations) during the millenium

This has been a matter of discussion, debate, etc.

It does seem that the Sabbath will be "memorialized" during the millenium, I don't know, it seems so in Isaiah 66. There are also passages that appear to support animal sacrifice.

RE:"all flesh". Mortals. Those with resurrected bodies will not need to "rest" in the typical meaning of the word, so for us who are resurrected? Who knows? Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath in the millenium as well. Whatever He says, we'll have to wait and see.

HankD

 

[Pastor Chet]

Hank
If the millenium is the 1000 year reign of Christ and He wants us to worship Him during that time on the Sabbath,maybe ,just maybe He would want us to still worship Him on the Sabbath now,while He is reigning in our hearts.
We know he stills desires us to worship Him.I worshipped on Sunday for 16 years. I still worship on Sunday as well as every day. Yet the Sabbath is special.A special day to worship Him. A day that He specifically blessed and sanctified.I am not under Law. For me it's a matter of Holiness. I'm not under law,but I don't steal, commit adultry, lie ,worship idols etc. WHY? Because I want to please the Lord. That's the only reason. I have no quarrel with anyone who worships on Sunday or any other day. I just know that after a 2 year study I've concluded the 7th day Sabbath is still the Proper day to set aside.That's my conviction and I try to live by what I believe.I'm sure you do the same. I've read many of your posts and we probably agree a whole more than you think. With the exception of the Sabbath issue or Translation issue.
May Christ Bless You and your labor for Him'
chet

 

[HankD]

I understand your conviction Pastor Chet and I respect it. You obviously do not confound the Law and the grace of God.

Peace to you and yours.
HankD