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What About This Question In latest Bible Poll?

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Yeshua1

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Liginour Ministries recently did a bible poll survey, and on one of their questions got the following results!

Jesus was the first and greatest Creation of God, and result was that 78 % of the Evangelicals agreed with that, and 73 % of that group saw it strongly!
 
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Yeshua1 said:
Liginour Ministries recently did a bible poll survey, and on one of their questions got the following results!

Jesus was the first and greatest Creation of God, and result was that 78 % of the Evangelicals agreed with that, and 73 % of that group saw it strongly!
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Reflects poor teaching in our homes and churches.
 
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Yeshua1 said:
Jesus was the first and greatest Creation of God, and result was that 78 % of the Evangelicals agreed with that, and 73 % of that group saw it strongly!
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I believe that we are in the midst of a falling away in these last days, and it's been getting worse and worse since I was a kid in the 1970's.
Since God's children do not fall away ( at least, that is the way I understand Scripture to say ;) ), then to me, that means those that are falling away aren't genuine believers.

However, I would think that anyone who reads and understands the Bible should be able to see this without too much trouble:

" And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." ( 1 Timothy 3:16 )

"God was manifest ( shown ) in the flesh".
Not "created", but, "begotten" ( John 3:16 ).

He became a man...He wasn't created, He was born of a virgin as a man.:Thumbsup
 
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Dave Gilbert said:
I believe that we are in the midst of a falling away in these last days, and it's been getting worse and worse since I was a kid in the 1970's.
Since God's children do not fall away ( at least, that is the way I understand Scripture to say ;) ), then to me, that means those that are falling away aren't genuine believers.

However, I would think that anyone who reads and understands the Bible should be able to see this without too much trouble:

" And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." ( 1 Timothy 3:16 )

"God was manifest ( shown ) in the flesh".
Not "created", but, "begotten" ( John 3:16 ).

He became a man...He wasn't created, He was born of a virgin as a man.:Thumbsup
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The Eternal Son ship of Jesus Christ is taught from Genesis to Revelation... Anything less than that is heresy!... Brother Glen:)
 
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" Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." ( John 8:58 )
 
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The deity of Christ is the "Rock" upon which His Church is built.
Any "religion" which claims Jesus Christ but denies His Incarnation is of the antichrist.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
 
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MartyF said:
Who acted more like Jesus? Arius or his opponents? If his opponents acted more like Christ, would Arius's views still be strong? Does forbidding critical discussion for or against Arian viewpoints on Christian websites help to support ignorance on Christology?

I guess I'm not looking for answers from others. It's just something I am thinking about.
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The author of the linked article inserted Arius into the conversation, but of the "Seventy-eight percent [who] agree with Arius" it might be interesting to find out how many of them have even heard of Arius. Few, I suspect.
 
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Yeshua1

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HankD said:
The deity of Christ is the "Rock" upon which His Church is built.
Any "religion" which claims Jesus Christ but denies His Incarnation is of the antichrist.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
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Indeed, for if your faith in not in the Jesus who was and is God Incarnate, still lost in your sins!
 
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Yeshua1

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Dave Gilbert said:
I believe that we are in the midst of a falling away in these last days, and it's been getting worse and worse since I was a kid in the 1970's.
Since God's children do not fall away ( at least, that is the way I understand Scripture to say ;) ), then to me, that means those that are falling away aren't genuine believers.

However, I would think that anyone who reads and understands the Bible should be able to see this without too much trouble:

" And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." ( 1 Timothy 3:16 )

"God was manifest ( shown ) in the flesh".
Not "created", but, "begotten" ( John 3:16 ).

He became a man...He wasn't created, He was born of a virgin as a man.:Thumbsup
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To have jesus as just a "god" is worst form of heresy!
 
Dave G

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MartyF said:
Who acted more like Jesus? Arius or his opponents? If his opponents acted more like Christ, would Arius's views still be strong?
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Among professing believers, or among unbelievers?
From my perspective, that is what should be at the heart of a question like this.
God's word says,

" He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God." ( John 8:47 )
" My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" ( John 10:27 )

...so from where I'm standing, "popular vote" shouldn't matter.

Also, I see your question as being a form of "relativism", even though I don't think you meant it that way. ;)
To reason that someone's actions, when presenting a subject, are enough to gain them a fair hearing over someone whose actions are poorer, seems very similar to something I used to hear when I was a member of the Christian Motorcyclists Association:

" You have to earn your right to speak."

In my reading of Scripture, I see the right to speak on things biblical as not revolving around relevancy, popularity of the subject, or whether or not a person is liked or hated.

For example, Rolfe Barnard was widely accepted as a Gospel preacher in many Baptist churches in his day...until he "converted to "Calvinism"" and lost most of his support and audience.
Did he stop preaching?
No.
And he always presented himself in a sober, serious- but-respectful manner ( as far as I know ), not "bashing his opponents", but allowing the Scripture and message to do the talking.


As an example from Scripture, Paul was hated by the Jews as a nation, yet he went into synagogues and reasoned with them out of the Scriptures, until they grew to recognize him and persecute him.
Did he stop preaching?
No.

BUT:
His actions were also tailored to be as respectful as possible ( 1 Corinthians 9:18-23 ) in order to "gain the more".


Seem contradictory?
I'll admit that it does, but...

As I see it, the Gospel ended up being hated or ignored anyway among the vast number of people where he traveled, even though he presented himself in a respectful manner.
So, why did he present it as "just the facts", and let the chips fall where they may, instead of railing against his opponents?

Because I see the Lord commanding him to do it that way to remain free of any additional blame ( 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 ) and sin.

As He told His disciples when sending them out:

" Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
18 and ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. " ( Matthew 10:16-18 )

So did He send Paul, in my opinion.

In the end, Arius' teachings were identified as heresy ( false doctrine used to divide the sheep ) and thrown out of the churches.


MartyF said:
I guess I'm not looking for answers from others. It's just something I am thinking about.
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I know, but I thought I'd throw in anyway. ;)
 
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loDebar

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But promote this type of teaching by placing undue importance on the physical and ignoring the spiritual.
 
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Rippon

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Dave Gilbert said:
For example, Rolfe Barnard was widely accepted as a Gospel preacher in many Baptist churches in his day...until he "converted to "Calvinism"" and lost most of his support and audience.
Did he stop preaching?
No.
And he always presented himself in a sober, serious- but-respectful manner ( as far as I know ), not "bashing his opponents", but allowing the Scripture and message to do the talking.
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Hey, I'm glad I'm not the only one who appreciates Ole' Rolfe. JRR and others called him a heretic when he embraced the Doctrines of Grace. That was despicable on their part.
 
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