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What about Wacko Jacko? Does he deserve a few thousand volts?

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Daniel David, Nov 20, 2003.

  1. Caretaker

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    http://www.msnbc.com/news/995113.asp?0cv=CB10

    The district attorney has said the youngster in the latest case is cooperating with investigators and has no plans to sue. He also said prosecutors could be helped by a law, passed since the earlier Jackson investigation, that was designed to keep civil suits from interfering with criminal cases.

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  2. donnA

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    The only reason he wasn't prosecuted last time was he bought off the only witness, the victim. Greedy parents would rather have money then to see the man who molested their son punished. Becasue he's famous people defend him and think he should be able to walk away from it. If it were your neighbor who had children hanging around his house, and a child you knew accused them, and the police took evidence from their house, you'd want to see them punished.
    People would rather sacrifice a child anyday it seems.
     
  3. Johnv

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    In California, a victim not testifying or pressing charges is not necessary for criminal charges to be filed. This is most common in domestic abuse cases, where a wife refuses to press charges against her husband.
     
  4. pinoybaptist

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    Well, then, in that case, MJ has not been proven in open court to be a pedophile so until then, he is innocent.
     
  5. Wisdom Seeker

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    According to the news conference. The Santa Barbara sherrif said that last time there wasn't a criminal investigation or a warrent. It was always a civil case. (which I didn't know either)And the law did not allow for a child under the age of 14 to be made to testify. After that case the law in California was changed. (I didn't know that either)

    Yep, he flew in, surrendered, was booked, paid the $300,000.00 cash (10% of his bail )and flew right back to Las Vegas. To hords of addoring fans and media attention.
     
  6. Johnv

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    WS, as ironic as that may seem, the law does allow a person who has posted bail to continue a contractual obligation that they may have entered into, so long as that obligation does not present a flight risk (which is determined either by the arresting agency, or, of there's disagreement, a judge).

    But on a bigger note, I'm concerned that this is going to turn into the 21st century version of the McMartin Preshool molestation trial, which literally ruined the lives of a lot of innocent people. I'm not saying MJ is innocent, or guilty. I'm simply saying that he deserves to be proven guilty or not in a trial by jury of his peers.
     
  7. Wisdom Seeker

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    I think this is more complex than that. I think it's like what my Pastor is always saying about sin. "You put a frog in boiling water...he's going to jump right out. You put a frog in tepid water and slowly put up the heat, little by little...and the frog will not be aware that he's going to become frog soup until it's too late"

    I won't say whether he's guilty or not of these crimes. Because in this country we wait on a verdict. But being a mother...I can tell you that I find this more than a little upsetting. It actually makes me queezy.
     
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    John, I don't think it's ironic at all. I think it was about what l expected. I was just stating the facts. I wasn't offering an opinion.

    I prefer to stick to the idea that all men are innocent until proven guilty. I thought you knew that about me.

    John, He has always had a very strong fan base. Even with all the character assinations and strange behavior. So, even if he is innocent I really dont' think this criminal investigation will ruin his life.

    But John, what if he's guilty? Isn't the welfare of children more important than how this will effect him?

    [ November 21, 2003, 06:54 PM: Message edited by: Wisdom Seeker ]
     
  9. Aaron

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    All sexual assault should be punishable by death.
     
  10. Bro.Adams

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    Jury of peers?

    Just where do you suggest that we go to find 12 peers of Michale Jackson?
     
  11. Johnv

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    Oh of course I knew that about you... didn't mean to imply otherwise. Sorry if it came off that way. ;)

    Well, his career never really did bounce back after the '93 incident. Whether that's because of what happenned, or because his type of music was falling out of populatiry, or a combination of both, is sheer speculation on our part.
    If he's guilty, then he will pay the price. Unfortulately, there's already a core of folks acting as though this were a murder trial. It ain't. It's a molestation trial. Whether we like it or not, the penalties for such a crime don't come close to murder, yet some are already treating him as though he were a murderer.
     
  12. Johnv

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    That's easy. Hold a Diana Ross lookalike contest.
     
  13. Johnv

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    And when it is, I'll be calling for his death. But until then, I'll be calling for 4 years in prison. MJ should not be blamed for what the law is now.
     
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    The Sheriff said that the penalty for one count of Child molestation is 4, 6 or 8 years. And at the judges discretion, He/She can add an additional 2 years, or 1/3 the medium penalty, for each subsequent guilty verdict on the other counts that he's been charged with. There are multiple counts being charged, not just one.

    I think it's the type of music. When "Thriller" came out I was in my 20's I'm now in my 40's. His type of music was very good in the 80's. But he hasn't really changed his style much in 20 years.

    Child molestation is like Rape but doesn't have as high of a penalty for some reason. I think there's something wrong with that. I also think that when someone molests a child, it is in a sense taking their life away. If they manage to survive it, they are very rarely ever completely whole again. I think Child molestation should have a higher penalty than 4 years. Isn't that less of a penalty than car theft?
     
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    What surprises me to some extent is the number of Christians that go about stating that the media is biased against the church and the right wing view of Christianity, yet then turn around and join in judging others by that same media. Go figure. :rolleyes:
     
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    I'll put it to ya this way, Ben W! IF Wacko(or anybody) did what Wacko is accused of doing to those boys--and one of um were my boy---the safest thing that could happen to the accused would be to lock ME up in prison---and they better have some "hum-dinger" guards---'cause nite and day I will be plannin' an escape---and I will FIND the accused!

    Brother David
     
  17. Bob Farnaby

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    Doesn't the American Constitution say something about it being self-evident that all men are created equal ..... so where's the proble? nearly 300 million of you to choose from ... [​IMG]

    OK, if it's a California thing, then the options are a bit more limited ... but the same principle applies.

    Regards
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  18. Jamal5000

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    Michael Jackson IS my favorite musical artist, and always has been.

    Is he guilty? I don't know, but I'll believe he is innocent until the judge tells us otherwise.

    Nobody can find any evidence to support their case accept he said/she saids.

    I hope and pray that whatever happens that will find peace in Christ, rather than in anything else.

    Let's please speak things that will build him UP rather than tear him down and make him feel worst.

    J5Grand [​IMG]
     
  19. Johnv

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    Amen, preach it!!! [​IMG]
     
  20. Wisdom Seeker

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    I don't know...is it less judgemental to point at other people for being judgemental? Or is it just ironic? ;)

    This is my last post on this thread.

    There have been men who were innocent who have been found guilty. There have been guilty men that were found innocent. Only the people directly involved and God know for sure.

    I will take solice in God's word that no matter what the earthly outcome, this will all come out even in the end.
     
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