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WHAT ARE SPIRITUAL BLESSINGS?

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Steven_15

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All physical healing is promised to us in the resurrection, not here and now!

If as you say "all physical healing is promised to us in the resurrection, not here and now", why do you lust for healing and seek after medical doctor?

Read the question properly. Don't digress & give stupid answers.
 

Steven_15

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WoF teach the heresy that God needed and used faith to create the Universe, so we can do the very same things, as we are exact copies of Him"little gods", some like Hagin even see us as much an incarnation of God as Jesus was!

You teach the stupid heresy healing isn't part of the atonement and end up sending people to hagin for sign healing. And then you lament about them?
Millions die at the hands of doctors. But you deny healing in the atonement and send christians to doctors as their messiah to bring healing from God! Isn't that plain stupid?
 

Steven_15

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The Holy Spirit can convict and reprove without needing signs and wonders!

The Holy Spirit convicts you because you judge others of lusting when you indeed do lust after healing and wealth disobeying 1John 3:16 which has commanded you works-truster to die for others! You will face swift judgement!!
 

Particular

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You have given example of a foolish person who quotes an entire chapter without stating whether he considers healing as a spiritual or material blessing.
Your quote of the verse has nothing to do with the topic. You butchered the scriptures to abuse it as a prooftext. One just wonders how you could twist it so badly in your attempt to discuss healing or monetary wealth accumulation.
 

Particular

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Some of the people of God listed in Hebrews 11 received blessings and some chose to suffer expecting to be blessed at the resurrection. But both the blessings and sufferings were received through faith in the truth that God blesses those who seek Him (Hebrews 11:6). Both groups never denied this faith.

Similarly, faith in Christ's atonement fulfils the desires like either be healed or remain sick expecting healing after resurrection. But if either of the desire is fulfilled apart from faith in Christ's atonement to heal, God is not pleased.

Many use Hebrews 11 to justify suffering but don't see the blessings that were also received by faith. Moreover they deny faith through which people are blessed as they don't see the blessings that were received through faith in Hebrews 11. Why? It is because they wrongly think sufferings please God. But it is faith which pleases God. They don't realise if God was pleased by sufferings, He would have created Adam/Eve with sufferings!
The purpose of Hebrews 11 is to get to Hebrews 12.

Hebrews 12:1-3 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God. Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted.

Jesus is the one who gives us faith and finishes our faith. The entire purpose of Hebrews is to exalt the truth that Jesus is greater than all things.

Yet, here you are, cheapening that truth by glorifying your self and claiming greatness toward humans who are physically healed and made monetarily wealthy.

What you are teaching is a perverse message from hell. I cannot be less direct than this with you as it seems a biblical 2x4 between the eyes may be the only means by which your delusion is broken.

As adopted children of the King, we already are seated at the right hand of God our Father. Why would we waste our energy on accumulating wealth and health on this outpost of a planet where we are but flowers blooming for a moment's time?

Ephesians 2:5-7 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

Get some perspective, sir. We are princes already in the presence of the King. It matters not whether we are healthy or wealthy on this planet. We are already made right in the presence of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Enough with your selfishness. Be gone if you cannot accept the providential goodness of God.
 

Yeshua1

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Don't be a hypocrite by judging others as lusting when they seek healing,
when you lust by seeking medical doctor for healing?

Don't be a hypocrite by judging others as lusting when they have wealth,
when you lust by seeking & clinging on to your wealth by not selling them and giving them to the poor.

You works-truster, the Lord has already required you to do even more by giving your life according to 1John3:16. So don't sit as a hypocrite expecting the Lord to require you to do so while you take the liberty to judge others!
Your health and wealth teachers are just fleecing Christians out of their monies, and they will be held accountable by God for their demonic theology and money grabbing!
 

Yeshua1

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How does God grant merit for you to be healed except through Christ's atonement as stated in Isaiah 53:4?
God can choose to heal whenever he wants to, but its not a promise to all in this life, but is promised to all in age to come!
 

Yeshua1

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The purpose of Hebrews 11 is to get to Hebrews 12.

Hebrews 12:1-3 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God. Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted.

Jesus is the one who gives us faith and finishes our faith. The entire purpose of Hebrews is to exalt the truth that Jesus is greater than all things.

Yet, here you are, cheapening that truth by glorifying your self and claiming greatness toward humans who are physically healed and made monetarily wealthy.

What you are teaching is a perverse message from hell. I cannot be less direct than this with you as it seems a biblical 2x4 between the eyes may be the only means by which your delusion is broken.

As adopted children of the King, we already are seated at the right hand of God our Father. Why would we waste our energy on accumulating wealth and health on this outpost of a planet where we are but flowers blooming for a moment's time?

Ephesians 2:5-7 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

Get some perspective, sir. We are princes already in the presence of the King. It matters not whether we are healthy or wealthy on this planet. We are already made right in the presence of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Enough with your selfishness. Be gone if you cannot accept the providential goodness of God.
The true Gospel works everywhere it is preached and taught, but this WoF health and wealth only works here in America, as it appeals to greed and lust!
 

Steven_15

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Your quote of the verse has nothing to do with the topic. You butchered the scriptures to abuse it as a prooftext. One just wonders how you could twist it so badly in your attempt to discuss healing or monetary wealth accumulation.

So you don't seek healing or have sold all your wealth and given to the poor till you die according to 1John3:16?
 

Steven_15

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John stated that we have what we ask of him IF it be His will, correct?

1John 5:15 "And if we know that he listens to us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions which we have asked of him".

Which goes to prove you aren't given knowledge He hears and grants healing. So go ahead remaining sick & sell all your possessions and give them to the poor till you die according to 1John3:16, you works-truster.
 

Steven_15

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The true Gospel works everywhere it is preached and taught, but this WoF health and wealth only works here in America, as it appeals to greed and lust!

But you practise greed and lust by not selling all your possessions and give to the poor till you die according to 1John3:16!!

Don't be a hypocrite!
 

Steven_15

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How much of the finer things of this earth did Jesus have? or Paul?

You works-truster! Either you do works and give your life according to 1John3:16 or don't pretend to comply with God's commands.
People are watching your hypocrisy!!!☺☺☺
 

Steven_15

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God can choose to heal whenever he wants to, but its not a promise to all in this life, but is promised to all in age to come!

Don't be a heretic to think God changes His will which He has already expressed in Isaiah 53:4 He has provided healing in Christ's atonement.

You seek medical doctors and deny Christ's mediatorship for healing from God and you yet think you are a christian!!
 

Steven_15

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The true Gospel works everywhere it is preached and taught, but this WoF health and wealth only works here in America, as it appeals to greed and lust!

You deny Christ's atonement which includes healing and thus send christians to your word of faith preachers to fleece them for money!!

Come out of your tacit word of faith loyalty.
 
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