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What are your thoughts on Islam ?

Van

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As with other posters, Christ is the truth, the way and the life. No one comes to God except through Christ. Thus all other religions are false religions according to scripture. (John 14:6)

What might make one false religion worse than say another? The "my way or the highway" religions, where alternate beliefs are crushed using the power of government. This is true of atheist governments, such as in China or Russia (Communist versions of totalitarianism) or theocracies such as in Iran.
 

JesusFan

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As with other posters, Christ is the truth, the way and the life. No one comes to God except through Christ. Thus all other religions are false religions according to scripture. (John 14:6)

What might make one false religion worse than say another? The "my way or the highway" religions, where alternate beliefs are crushed using the power of government. This is true of atheist governments, such as in China or Russia (Communist versions of totalitarianism) or theocracies such as in Iran.
Islam as modeled and taught and held by Muhammed would be the worst, as its literally the devils religion
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Islam as modeled and taught and held by Muhammed would be the worst, as its literally the devils religion
Are you sure of that. How many Muslims do you actually know and have you confronted them directly with your revelation? I’m content to leave them alone simply because I know many (so called Christians) are some of the most two faced, liars and hypocrites in Gods world and on the last day the lord will tell them, I never knew you. Then they will go to the place prepared for them from the beginning of time and that’s Devine justice.
 

Ben1445

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You are right, I have no allegiance to you or your God consept. Far from it. So go take a hike.
My God concept is the way God represents himself in Scripture. Your God concept is “happy, happy, joy, joy.” Jesus didn’t say spread the joy, he said spread the gospel. Don’t worry, I will not continue to try to provoke you to scriptural good works if it is not welcomed. But for the sake of other readers, I think it is important to…
Hebrews 10:24
…consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

And since evangelizing is what we are told to do, it would be good to obey the commands of the Lord and do what He said.
If I can provoke someone to do that, I am doing what I have been given authority by Scripture to do.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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My God concept is the way God represents himself in Scripture. Your God concept is “happy, happy, joy, joy.” Jesus didn’t say spread the joy, he said spread the gospel. Don’t worry, I will not continue to try to provoke you to scriptural good works if it is not welcomed. But for the sake of other readers, I think it is important to…
Hebrews 10:24
…consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

And since evangelizing is what we are told to do, it would be good to obey the commands of the Lord and do what He said.
If I can provoke someone to do that, I am doing what I have been given authority by Scripture to do.
You aren’t provoking, but you are irritating and that creates me to put you on ignore…. Bye! :Smile:Thumbsdown
 

Silverhair

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My God concept is the way God represents himself in Scripture. Your God concept is “happy, happy, joy, joy.” Jesus didn’t say spread the joy, he said spread the gospel. Don’t worry, I will not continue to try to provoke you to scriptural good works if it is not welcomed. But for the sake of other readers, I think it is important to…
Hebrews 10:24
…consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

And since evangelizing is what we are told to do, it would be good to obey the commands of the Lord and do what He said.
If I can provoke someone to do that, I am doing what I have been given authority by Scripture to do.

I have found that over time EFW has become more caustic in his comments.
 

Van

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Islam as modeled and taught and held by Muhammed would be the worst, as its literally the devils religion
All other religions are the devil's religion. My way or the highway religions that use compulsion seem destined to usher in the end of the age.
 

JesusFan

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Are you sure of that. How many Muslims do you actually know and have you confronted them directly with your revelation? I’m content to leave them alone simply because I know many (so called Christians) are some of the most two faced, liars and hypocrites in Gods world and on the last day the lord will tell them, I never knew you. Then they will go to the place prepared for them from the beginning of time and that’s Devine justice.
All we need to do is compare and contrast Jesus with their Muhammed, and that proves beyond any doubt Islam is a demonic revealed religion
 

Darrell C

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Unfortunately Darrell, that answer does not buy any potato’s as my elderly granny would say. I know a gentleman who routinely goes to Paterson NJ to minister to Muslims with not a very impressive conversion record. They resiliently hold to their ways…even actively proselytizing Islam to inner city African American communities thereby gaining Muslim adherents.

So what’s the message that stalwart Christians need to use to penetrate Muslim communities? Yes, Jesus loves you is one but what else can be used to open the eyes of the blind?

When we understand that we aren't the ones that can open eyes or hearts, and follow where we feel the Lord is leading us, then we ought not worry over what we think we are or are not accomplishing.

Every time your friend is witnessing to muslims is a time they aren't out gaining muslim adherents, right?

We simply seed and let others water, or vice versa, and leave the conversions to the Lord.

So, there you go: po ... tay ... toes.

;)

I think judgment on your friends ministry might best be left for eternity. Only then will his record be known.

God bless.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Sorry to hear about this. I will pray for her.

God bless.
Thank you

In Paul’s first letter to the church in Corinth (1 Corinthians 13:4-13) we find a description of Christian love. One that I am constantly reminding myself.

“ Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”

My place in the would does not dishonor and create a right nuisance of myself, always remembering when they did it to me. My own brother sat on my front poarch till 1am attempting to convert me when all he had to do was ask if I believed… rather, and because of my past wicked crime filled ways he surmised me as being an enemy and he had to save me. He even came back to my house early morning and threw literature in my back seat of my parked car… apparently he did not believe that I was sincere. I consider that to be a considerable nuisance because it assumes Vs sitting, listening then knowing the heart… a rookie opinion based on nothing concrete. These are very dangerous people.
 
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Earth Wind and Fire

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Thank you

In Paul’s first letter to the church in Corinth (1 Corinthians 13:4-13) we find a description of Christian love. One that I am constantly reminding myself and it goes like this:

In Paul’s first letter to the church in Corinth (1 Corinthians 13:4-13) we find a description of Christian love.







“ Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”

My place in the would does not dishonor and create a right nuisance of myself, always remembering when they did it to me. My own brother sat on my front poarch till 1am attempting to convert me when all he had to do was ask if I believed… rather, and because of my past wicked crime filled ways he surmised me as being an enemy and he had to save me. He even came back to my house early morning and threw literature in my back seat of my parked car… apparently he did not believe that I was sincere. I consider that to be a considerable nuisance because it assumes Vs sitting, listening then knowing the heart… a rookie opinion based on nothing concrete. These are very dangerous people.
There is no other gospel. What kind of answer are you looking for?
You can tell them that then watch them all disberse. This only accomplishes resentment.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Sorry to hear about this. I will pray for her.

God bless.
He is not my friend… and he is being payed good money to do it. He uses a free home abandoned by a Baptist pastor so he doesn’t have to pay rent. The guy is a hoax. He doesn’t serve his own community in growing the local church as he was asked to do… rather he drives into Paterson every morning, gets no adherents but paid well for his scam then trucks back to my town in the burbs & lives a comfortable life rent free. How long he can keep it up is anyones guess
 

Ben1445

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I have found that over time EFW has become more caustic in his comments.
I’ll give him some understanding. He sounds like he has a lot on his plate. He is not right. But I can see why there might be the change. I can’t say I have been around long enough to know the difference.
I also can’t agree with his disgust for compelling people. I have heard too many testimonies of people who are thankful for what they considered at the time to be an annoyance. If you think about it for just a little bit, you have to appreciate that someone cares enough about you to bother you and risk losing family fellowship.
I agree that we should leave the results judgment for the Just Judge.
 

Darrell C

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Thank you

In Paul’s first letter to the church in Corinth (1 Corinthians 13:4-13) we find a description of Christian love. One that I am constantly reminding myself.

“ Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”

My place in the would does not dishonor and create a right nuisance of myself, always remembering when they did it to me. My own brother sat on my front poarch till 1am attempting to convert me when all he had to do was ask if I believed… rather, and because of my past wicked crime filled ways he surmised me as being an enemy and he had to save me. He even came back to my house early morning and threw literature in my back seat of my parked car… apparently he did not believe that I was sincere. I consider that to be a considerable nuisance because it assumes Vs sitting, listening then knowing the heart… a rookie opinion based on nothing concrete. These are very dangerous people.

I don't know that I'd call them dangerous, lol. Probably better to look at the over-zealous as either new to the faith (and thinking that's the way it is done), or perhaps they are striving so hard because they think that in some way that ingratiates them to God or are "proving" their salvation to themselves.

I don't have a problem with those who do not find it necessary (for whatever reason) not to witness to others, or those who "witness through their life." In fact, I'd say there simply are some people who absolutely should not witness, because many of them are parroting errors they heard in church the Sunday before. Witnessing is something that should always be led by the Lord, and should be taken serious, because teachers will receive the greater judgment.

Having said that, though, I still say that we should witness to all unbelievers. I have met some very nice people that belong to cults, and as nice as they are, the one thing I know is that everyone needs Christ. I used to be just like your brother, lol, and in fact did a couple of things you mentioned. He called himself a Catholic, and associated with Catholicism because, well, we're Irish, so we must be Catholic (and don't ask me why he didn't understand there were Protestant Irish). I thought Jack Chick tracts would do the trick, lol, but they didn't. My wife and I ended up putting his son (and eventually his two daughters) through a Christian private school, and I think it was attending functions there that he eventually began to understand a little better about his relationship to God.

The big thing was just that he heard the Gospel. I think most of us, at least at some point in our salvation, think we are the voice of God to a lost world, lol. Eventually we figure out we aren't and start relaxing a little bit in our approach. but it is necessary for individuals to hear the Gospel, because we cannot be saved by the great lives of others.

God bless.
 
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