Reformed1689
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Just curious what the percentage of both camps are here at this board.
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What Camp Are You?
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The Russian EC-B's I know say I'm a Calvinist. The Calvinists I know would say I'm an Arminian. I guess I'm just a mugwumper.
lol...
9 That which hath been is that which shall be; and that which hath been done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Ecc 1
What Side Of The Fence Are You?
Ran the Man
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I don't do camps, unless it's in a national park.
Remember only you can prevent theological fires... Brother Glen
37818
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* I hold to the total depravity of all mankind.
* I hold the election is conditional, but wholly without merit on the part of the elect.
* I hold to a general atonement, in that, Christ is Lord of all and being so either eternally secures salvation of His elect or so is the Judge of the perishing.
* I hold God's grace is available for all of mankind but can be resisted where the perishing fail to comprehend God's grace for them.
* I hold God solely does the saving and the keeping of His elect.
* I hold the election is conditional, but wholly without merit on the part of the elect.
* I hold to a general atonement, in that, Christ is Lord of all and being so either eternally secures salvation of His elect or so is the Judge of the perishing.
* I hold God's grace is available for all of mankind but can be resisted where the perishing fail to comprehend God's grace for them.
* I hold God solely does the saving and the keeping of His elect.
But you are a nice mugwump.
You probably knew "P" as "O".I hold to TULIP.
About three years ago I held to TUIP...
17 years ago I didn't know up from down, except for "P".
About 10 years ago I might have told you I was a 1 point Calvinist, 1/2 point for the T and 1/2 point for the P, thinking they were about half right. But over the years I've had to shave those down to maybe 1/4 point each. Therefore, I suppose you can put me in the Calvinist camp as a 1/2 pointer.
Dave G
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"Once Saved, Always Saved"?
I was taught it as "Eternal Security" or some variant, but that comes close.
All I heard was "Once Saved Always Saved.""Once Saved, Always Saved"?
I was taught it as "Eternal Security" or some variant, but that comes close.
"Once Saved, Always Saved"?
I was taught it as "Eternal Security" or some variant, but that comes close.
I am very uneasy about OSAS. There is a sense in which it is true, but the 'P' in Tulip stands for the Perseverance of the Saints, which IMO is much better and more Biblical (Matthew 24:13).
The Lord Jesus said, "But you do not believe because you are not My sheep, as I said to you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand" (John 10:26-28).
So first of all, one does not become a sheep by believing; one believes because one is a sheep.
Secondly, Christ's sheep are absolutely secure.
Thirdly, Christ's sheep are a special breed. They are distinguished by their ears and their feet. They hear the shepherd's voice and they follow Him. Both verbs are in the Present Tense, which in Greek denotes continuity. They are hearing the shepherd's voice and they are, on a continuing basis, following Him. So if someone had professed faith at some point in the past, but was not now following Him or hearing His voice (whether read or preached), on what basis would he suppose that he might be a sheep? Would he not be more likely to hear the Shepherd speak the words of Matthew 7:21-23? Christ's sheep He knows from eternity; others He does not know at all. 1 Corinthians 10:12.
37818
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Calvinist and Arminian view points consider their respective views to be the Biblical camp. I voted other and posted an explanation using the TULIP template (it is my understanding the TULIP originated from the Arminian view against Calvinism).What camp...Calvinism or Arminian? I'm in the Bible Camp! Isn't that the one we all want to be in? And by focusing on that one camp we challenge each other to make sure that's the one we're in.
Probably, most on this forum would classify me as a Calvinist. However, I would never classify myself as a Calvinist as there are too many things I differ with Calvin. However, I have even more differences with Arminians. I believe that God has chosen not merely an elect but has chosen the means through which to save the elect and that is the preaching of the gospel. Unlike, John MacArthur, and many other Calvinists I do not believe in perseverance of the saints in good works but perseverance of the saints in faith which is manifest in different degrees of works according to the measure of grace and faith given by God to each according to his eternal purpose for their lives. On the other hand I do not believe in the "carnal" Christian theory either but just believe in different stages of Christian growth.
Most people who talk about OSAS frequently, have attempted to buy a fire insurance policy but failed to find salvation.I am very uneasy about OSAS. There is a sense in which it is true, but the 'P' in Tulip stands for the Perseverance of the Saints, which IMO is much better and more Biblical (Matthew 24:13).
The Lord Jesus said, "But you do not believe because you are not My sheep, as I said to you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand" (John 10:26-28).
So first of all, one does not become a sheep by believing; one believes because one is a sheep.
Secondly, Christ's sheep are absolutely secure.
Thirdly, Christ's sheep are a special breed. They are distinguished by their ears and their feet. They hear the shepherd's voice and they follow Him. Both verbs are in the Present Tense, which in Greek denotes continuity. They are hearing the shepherd's voice and they are, on a continuing basis, following Him. So if someone had professed faith at some point in the past, but was not now following Him or hearing His voice (whether read or preached), on what basis would he suppose that he might be a sheep? Would he not be more likely to hear the Shepherd speak the words of Matthew 7:21-23? Christ's sheep He knows from eternity; others He does not know at all. 1 Corinthians 10:12.
Reformed1689
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I'm pretty sure MacArthur believes in the perseverance of the saints in faith as do most Calvinists. Works are evidence of that faith.