None of those passages state man is created a "sinner". You must approach those texts with that presupposition already in tow to arrive at that conclusion.
Actually, they do teach it webdog.
At conception we are sinners,you cannot go past that.The sexual act was not sin. Romans 5 is abundantly clear. How do you think we become sinners?
Do you believe man is sinless at any time? read my earlier response to amy g.
webdog....i am not sure what you are holding out for?
look at this;
http://carm.org/federal-headship
http://lilljaroadbaptistchurch.net/texts/federalheadship.htm
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