What can wash away my sin?

Now, that is what I said. Nowhere did I say you received those lyrics from satan.

As I said, you are wanting to be right so much that you are diverting from the music and twist what I say into a lie.

Maybe you need to read the first chapter of Romans where others tried to twist the word of truth into a lie.

 

He can't! He's too busy being God's anointed concerning which type of music is of God and which is of the Devil.

 

I did not change your words, Tony. And I would appreciate you not calling me and my wife Pharisees.

As I said before, the venom in this room is only coming from the mouths of my accusers.

 

Maybe to accuser of a brother as being a liar ought to follow his own advice...ya think!!

Bro Tony

 

Having said that, I will do what I should have done long ago and leave you to your folly.

 

Yes you did change my words---you said I told you that "you were not a priest of God" I showed you where that was not at all what I said. Go back and read, slowly now. As for calling you and your wife a pharisee, I use the term as an adjective. If you act like one then the adjective fits.

The venom in this room and every other thread you are in comes from you. Anyone who has read your posts knows who has been the accuser and the self proclaim judge of other Christians. I expected you to become the martyr when you are challenged for your peculiar beliefs and for your treatment of the brethren.

Bro Tony

 

Bro Tony--

Next time you want to call someone a Pharisee--make sure you know what a Pharisee is--It is a deceptive slander to label a Christ-loving, Bible-honoring, Gospel-preaching Christian a Pharisee. You would certainly get offended if you went to our church, Bro Tony--you would probably call us all Pharisees too!! Our pastor calls CCM and rock music what it is---worldly and ungodly music.

You were not misquoted--here is your quote: SFIC you are not the priest of the Word of God--now you can remove the beam from your own eye.

 

First Linda,

I expected you to arrive...I will call those who act like pharisees, pharisees. If you or your pastor or church act like pharisees then the adjective works. I fully know what a pharisee is and intentionally used it to describe you and your husbands actions toward others.

Secondly, you are correct in what I wrote to SFIC. The clear problem which you seem not to be able to comprehend is that SFIC said that I said he--"wasn't a priest of God" Do you notice the difference in the statements? Can you understand the different meanings of each statement? My statement was in reference to his making final interpretations for others at to what the Scriptures says. He is not the priest of the Word of God. If he is a believer he is a priest before God, just like all believers. Again, even when shown he changed my words to fit his own agenda, he could not say he made a mistake. Incredible.

You two dont want to discuss anything you just want to spread your attacks to what others are doing, then cry martyr when challenged. If you don't want anyone to use the adjective of pharisee when referring to you, then quit acting like one.

Bro Tony

 

ok ok ok. stop bickering back and forth about who said what when where and how. please. otherwise this thread will be closed.
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SFIC. to me it seemed that you had insinuated the fact that i did not recieve the lyrics i wrote were from God.

it seemed that you had insinuated that the lyrics i wrote were from the 'angel of light' - satan.

that is why i was a little picked
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i completely agree. that is the summarization of what i've been trying to say. thanks Tiggy!
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lets not resort to 7th grade name-calling. which includes 'pharisee' - 'false prophet' - 'false priest' - etc etc. everyone agree? thank you in advance.
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God bless!

 

Oh give me a break. Satan is now giving God-centered lyrics with the express instruction to "set these lyrics to the heathenistic music of this world. Thus saith Satan." ? That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

And just to clarify: I'm not calling anyone ridiculous, their wife dumb, or their dog stupid. I'm just saying that comment is preposterous.

In preparation for my Sunday School lesson this Sunday in Proverbs, I came across this verse in Proverbs 18:

Let's all (myself included) make sure we're not doing this. Let's not be foolish, but be able to back up our beliefs and assertions. As I believe that Scripture is silent on this issue, and it's apparant that no one will be swayed to believe differently during this discussion, could we ALL be a little more civil in our debate?

 

Aubre - I think you need to understand something. In these verses, who is sick? Who is in need of a doctor? Jesus? No, Jesus is well and He is there to heal those who are not well. Does He do that by trying to look, act, and sound like them. Nope, they were attracted to Him because He looked, acted, and sounded better than they. The difference between Jesus and the Pharisees, other than the fact that Jesus is God, is Jesus had compassion toward the sinners. He loved them and wanted them to be healed. The Pharisses just wanted to go around feeling high and mighty about themselves, (full of pride).

Therefore, I don't believe we want to go about looking, acting, and sounding like the world to win them to Christ. I do believe we need to remember where we came from, and have compassion toward those who are still trapped in the world's system of "sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll". You may run into a burning building to rescue someone, but you don't stay.

 

What you say is true, but the problem is, the critics here do seem to be just high and mighty about themselves, and not "healing" the other side, but rather berating them (on the premise that "healing" is tied to listening to traditional music only). They cannot even tell us the real basis of where this categorization of music comes from, only presume that those who listen to it are "feeding the flesh". But the real origin of this teaching is that the beat came from Africa, and that it corrupts 'good' Western culture. The two we are dealing with now may not realize this (as they have not even mentioned the beat, which this is really all about, and it has been covered up, and many just listen to a preacher teach this, and it sounds nice and godly, so they don't check where it came from), but at least one other here in the past has pretty much conveyed such a belief. Then you have schools like BJU (where writers like Garlock & Woetzel come out of), and others like Mike Paulson.(brothermike.com)

The CCM defenders may be reacting strongly, but they are not the ones calling the other side's music "trash" or accusing those who listen to it of being phony Christians with a false gospel that does not save, as has been thrown out here.

It is true however, that many overdo "being all things to all people", and copy too much, and often stay there.

 

blammo said:

that's exactly it though blammo.

the majority (i say majority because some christian music artists are not in this category. i.e. amy grant. etc.)
the majority of christian artists have a passion for the lost - and they spread the gospel the best they that they can do that. which is by music. by making their own music - and putting lyrics to it that God gave them.

secular artists go around feeling high and mighty about themselves and are full of pride.
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that's the difference here. christian music is a matter of one's heart. and if their heart is embracing Christ - then the outward expression of speech will display that in whatever manner.

 

You're defining the music by the bars, yet the traditional styles you use in Church were once used in bars as well. A few of the same tunes, as well! Yes, even the straight-laced, every-piano-chord-matches-every-word (the 'melody'- orientation that is supposed to define good music). Only it was centuries ago. (Of vourse, even though bars were still looked down on as sinful back then, at least society was more outwardly 'Christian' as th argument goes).
So Satan can deceive people with nice, non-rhythmic 'traditional' music as well.

And it was the bar and dance hall atmosphere that taints the music, not the music that taints everything it touches, even when removed from that setting. All hot dogs do not become bad because that one was polluted, ans your view would suggest.

That is such a double standard that you take such offense to what someone calls a 'Bible-honoring Gospel preaching Christian'
When you both call the music trash and have insinuted that its producers and listeners are beliving in a gospel that does not save just because of the style of music! In effect, denying others are 'Bible honoring, Gospel preaching Christians just because of a beat, basically. Just as they said, you are making yourselves THE priest, instead of A priest, like they are. You can lash out at them, but HOW DARE they criticize you back. That's how all anti-CCM'ers think. (Just look at leaders such as Godwin and Watkins, and how they scream on one hand, yet then compalin of 'vicious slander') from CCM fans, who are hardly even responding!) Then, they liken CCM to the Israelites and the golden calf; so again, it's like you all are Moses up on the mount receiving the Law from God. Yet you have shown nothing from God's word proving which music is good or bad; it all boils down to what you see people in the world foing with it. But once again, yours was once misused as well.

All of this is putting the cart before the horse. You say their gospel is false, but your doctrine is false, and you can't even back it up, except to project "feeding the flesh" at people.

 

Gekko and Eric B -

I agree with much of what you guys say. However, I do believe there is a line, and that line is closer to SFIC and Linda's side of the discussion.

I believe the motive is what counts. The motive should be to Glorify God for what He has done, what He is doing, or what He will do. I don't believe that is accomplished with "Death Metal". The whole package needs to be spiritual, not just the lyrics. If the lyrics and the artist are spiritual, shouldn't the music be spiritual as well? It's certainly not a matter of taste, (I'll grant you that), but the more we try to please the world, by becoming like the world, the less we have to offer the world. They already have Rock-n-Roll, shouldn't we give them something better?

 

i dont either. never said it did. never will.

Christian death metal is an oxymoron. cause its death metal.

christian heavy metal (like emery, demon hunter. etc.)
i agree with that. i dont listen to it because i like to understand the lyrics. many can understand the lyrics of the style of music.
the artists in that style - they speak about stuff happening in their lives - and the solution to it = Jesus Christ.
im not talking about secular artists.
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again. there is no such thing as a spiritual Enote. nor is there such thing as a secular E-note.

there is not spiritual or non-spiritual category when it comes to music notes.
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woah woah woooah!
where have any of us. (rather - where have I) - said that christian rock music was there to play for the world or to please the world? its a means of communication of encouragement to christians - and if people from the "world" hear it - so be it - they hear the message - (which is contained in the lyrics). christian artists are there to play for God. (some dont and are selfish - i agree) - but they play with a christian audience in mind. and hopefully beable to witness to a lost world.

 

An outstanding post.

 

But they also already have country, easy-listening, Celtic, and polka. Are they as wrong to use in redemptive ways?

OK, maybe not Polka. Sorry for that one.:laugh:

 

:laugh: :thumbs: