what Can You Say about this Famous Baptist Preachers

[Yeshua1]

I don't know enough about his situation and everything he said or didn't say to make a comment.

I do know that his congregation did not want him to step down and his divorce was purely his wife's doing, and he has stayed unmarried. I don't think he is disqualified from the pastorate.

he still wears his ring and sees himself married to her, doesn't he?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I dont know these two guys but the 9th commandment states that we shall not bear false witness.

 

[Arbo]

Charles Stanley has as high a character as any man I've ever seen. Where are you getting your information on his "about face"? Do you have a link to something?

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/2000/06/A-High-Profile-Divorce-The-Cost-Of-Biblical-Faithfulness.aspx

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/stanley/general.htm

Here are a few. A search will yield more, if you're inclined.

 

[Arbo]

He knows nothing about it. He is just talking.

Do a search. (You won't find it on Drudge.)

 

[Amy.G]

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/2000/06/A-High-Profile-Divorce-The-Cost-Of-Biblical-Faithfulness.aspx

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/stanley/general.htm

Here are a few. A search will yield more, if you're inclined.

Dr. Stanley has lived a Godly life and has earned the highest respect. Changing one's mind does not mean he has broken a promise.

If this is his greatest sin, he's far better than me.

 

[IAMWEAK_2007]

Charles Stanley lead many to the Lord, his teaching can still be wrong because he is not different with many teachers who are not perfect and even worse than him.
To be with the Lord is not only the responsibility of the teacher but mostly of the believer himself. Charles Stanley is still human not perfect.

 

[HAMel]

Charles Stanley.

My dad used to say that some people would..., would..., yeah, would "gripe" if they were being hung with a new rope! So it is with Stanley.

Personally, I have trouble listening to him but have found his books to be extremely helpful.

 

[12strings]

From His Chapter in the Book ETERNAL SECURITY: "For Those Who Stop Believing" (chapter 8):

"The Bible clearly teaches that God's love for His people is of such magnitude that even those who walk away from the faith have not the slightest chance of slipping from His hand" (p. 74).

"Faith is simply the way we say yes to God's free gift of eternal life. Faith and salvation are not one and the same anymore than a gift and the hand that receives it are the same. Salvation or justification or adoption- whatever you wish to call it-stands independently of faith. Consequently, God does not require a constant attitude of faith in order to be saved-only an act of faith" (p. 80).

"You and I are not saved because we have an enduring faith. We are saved because at a moment in time we expressed faith in our enduring Lord" (p. 80)...

OTHER QUOTES FROM C.S.:

Specifically, it is an expression of faith in Christ that brings God’s provision together with our need. Once the woman jumped, she was safe. Likewise, once we believe, we are saved.

"Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy… believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation."

OUTSIDE COMMENTARY ON THE ISSUE FROM WIKI:

In the Free Grace..., a person is secure because at some point in time he or she has believed the Gospel message.

Both traditional Calvinism and traditional Arminianism have rejected Free Grace theology. The former believes Free Grace to be a distorted form of Calvinism which maintains the permanency of salvation (or properly speaking, justification) while radically divorcing the ongoing work of sanctification from that justification. Reformed theology has uniformly asserted that "no man is a Christian who does not feel some special love for righteousness" (Institutes),[7] and therefore sees Free Grace theology, which allows for the concept of a "carnal Christian" or even an "unbelieving Christian", as a form of radical antinomianism. Arminianism, which has always believed true believers can give themselves completely over to sin, has also rejected the Free Grace view for the opposite reason of Calvinism: namely, that the view denies the classical Arminian doctrine that true Christians can lose their salvation by denouncing their faith.

If C.S. also holds to millennial exclusion...this fits well: Unbelieiving or unfaithful "Christians" will miss out on many rewards...but will ultimately be saved.

 

[MB]

There was a lot of debate over that doctrine on this board a few years back. It came out then. In fact a few members of this board emailed his ministry and a portion of that doctrine was confirmed. It was then posted on this board. Those who supported that doctrine we then banned.

Stanley talks about it in one of his books of the past. I will try to find the name of the book.

Here is a link to one of the archived threads.

http://www.baptistboard.com/archive/index.php/t-53800.html

I agree with what J Dale had to say. Any one can take a sentence out of any book and make it say what ever gossip they want it to say. This is what J Dale wrote on this thread in archives.

Unless someone can do better than that from sermons or writings much more recent than 1990, I suggest withholding accusation against an "Elder" as is Biblical. Only when the accusations can be substantiated by MORE than one witness should it be heard.

In any case, I hope to see Dr. Stanley within the next month, and if I get to speak to him, I will ask him about this issue!

I too watch Dr Stanley and some of you could only wish to accomplish what this man has.
MB

 

[Revmitchell]

I agree with what J Dale had to say. Any one can take a sentence out of any book and make it say what ever gossip they want it to say. This is what J Dale wrote on this thread in archives.


I too watch Dr Stanley and some of you could only wish to accomplish what this man has.
MB

I am as familiar with Dr. Stanley as anyone else is. I am very fond of him. This is not gossip it is fact. This has been vetted out thoroughly. While I sipport his ministry and most of his doctrine, on this I disagree.

 

[MB]

I am as familiar with Dr. Stanley as anyone else is. I am very fond of him. This is not gossip it is fact. This has been vetted out thoroughly. While I sipport his ministry and most of his doctrine, on this I disagree.

I understand there are dispensationalist who believe this millennial exclusion doctrine. Though I do not happen to be one of them Paul wrote;
Php 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
If this verse is true then certainly this relatively new doctrine is false. Paul certainly worked hard at what he was told to do and did a fine job of it. However there are many who claim christianity and do absurdly nothing to further the cause.
I believe what James said;
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Those who are not doers of the word simply are not Christian because they are deceived into thinking it's not there job.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

From His Chapter in the Book ETERNAL SECURITY: "For Those Who Stop Believing" (chapter 8):



OTHER QUOTES FROM C.S.:



OUTSIDE COMMENTARY ON THE ISSUE FROM WIKI:




If C.S. also holds to millennial exclusion...this fits well: Unbelieiving or unfaithful "Christians" will miss out on many rewards...but will ultimately be saved.

his views regarding Eternal security are NOT what is taught in the Bible though, for though I land over in the 'Free grace" camp, would also say that there MUST be fruit, some evidenc to support one has really been born again!


His views would seem to support those against OSAS supporting live worldly fully and yet still be saved!

 

[Yeshua1]

I understand there are dispensationalist who believe this millennial exclusion doctrine. Though I do not happen to be one of them Paul wrote;
Php 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
If this verse is true then certainly this relatively new doctrine is false. Paul certainly worked hard at what he was told to do and did a fine job of it. However there are many who claim christianity and do absurdly nothing to further the cause.
I believe what James said;
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Those who are not doers of the word simply are not Christian because they are deceived into thinking it's not there job.
MB

those views undercut saved by grace alone, and also discount that ALL Christians will appear before jesus to account for their lives, but none are 'excluded!"

 

[MB]

those views undercut saved by grace alone, and also discount that ALL Christians will appear before jesus to account for their lives, but none are 'excluded!"

I agree with the underlined however the evidence I've found needs to be addressed by someone other than I. I've searched for arguments to the contrary but there does not seem to be that many. One site argued with a verse about Abraham being the father of many nations. I just could not see the point he was trying to make.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

I agree with the underlined however the evidence I've found needs to be addressed by someone other than I. I've searched for arguments to the contrary but there does not seem to be that many. One site argued with a verse about Abraham being the father of many nations. I just could not see the point he was trying to make.
MB

problem is that this subject is taboo to discuss on the Board, so lets just agree that our brother is wrong on that, and we are right!

 

[Revmitchell]

I understand there are dispensationalist who believe this millennial exclusion doctrine. Though I do not happen to be one of them Paul wrote;
Php 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
If this verse is true then certainly this relatively new doctrine is false. Paul certainly worked hard at what he was told to do and did a fine job of it. However there are many who claim christianity and do absurdly nothing to further the cause.
I believe what James said;
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Those who are not doers of the word simply are not Christian because they are deceived into thinking it's not there job.
MB

I do not understand your point.