What constitutes "marriage"?

[Brother Bob]

by Gershome
Could be because God won't recognize it, so their best bet is to get the state involved

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Could be God won't recognize bed hopping or just sleeping together and calling it marriage either, so they just try to keep State out of it.

 

[Gershom]

Originally posted by Brother Bob:
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Could be because God won't recognize it, so their best bet is to get the state involved

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Could be God won't recognize bed hopping or just sleeping together and calling it marriage either, so they just try to keep State out of it. </font>[/QUOTE]Are you setting up a straw man here, brother?

 

[Brother Bob]

You lost me????
Not really, just didn't understand why the excuses. Do you really think that sleeping together constitutes marriage?

 

[Gershom]

Originally posted by Brother Bob:
You lost me????
Not really, just didn't understand why the excuses. Do you really think that sleeping together constitutes marriage?

Relations are a part, but I do not believe that it soley defines marriage. Eve was Adam's wife before they "knew" one another.

 

[Brother Bob]

Gershom;
Not to just be different but think we can open up a can of worms if we compare today's living with Adam and Eve or King David. Jesus changed a lot of things that are different than under the Law. Seems to me that He himself went to a wedding supper. There must of been some kind of ceromony that took place and He also mentioned Bill of Divorcement, so if it took a Bill to break a marriage must of took something to make one.

 

[Gershom]

Originally posted by Brother Bob:
Gershom;
Not to just be different but think we can open up a can of worms if we compare today's living with Adam and Eve or King David. Jesus changed a lot of things that are different than under the Law. Seems to me that He himself went to a wedding supper. There must of been some kind of ceromony that took place and He also mentioned Bill of Divorcement, so if it took a Bill to break a marriage must of took something to make one.

Yes, and I readily admit that I've done no in-depth study on the subject.

You've mentioned the Bill of Divorce, but where in the Book are we instructed to get a paper in order to be considered married? I'm sincerely asking.

 

[Brother Bob]

Genesis 34
"8": And Hamor communed with them, saying, The soul of my son Shechem longeth for your daughter: I pray you give her him to wife.
"9": And make ye marriages with us , and give your daughters unto us, and take our daughters unto you.
"11": And Shechem said unto her father and unto her brethren, Let me find grace in your eyes, and what ye shall say unto me I will give.

"12": Ask me never so much dowry and gift, and I will give according as ye shall say unto me: but give me the damsel to wife. There certainly was a covenant made before the man got a wife .

John, chapter 21
"25": And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.


Malachi, chapter 2
14: Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.

According to the above Scriptures there was a Ceremony for sure and also there was a covenant made for a marriage to take place. As far as a written document the Scripture does not say it in that manner but a covenant that involved a ceremony is certainly more that "just sleeping together".

 

[Gershom]

Originally posted by Brother Bob:
Genesis 34
"8": And Hamor communed with them, saying, The soul of my son Shechem longeth for your daughter: I pray you give her him to wife.
"9": And make ye marriages with us , and give your daughters unto us, and take our daughters unto you.
"11": And Shechem said unto her father and unto her brethren, Let me find grace in your eyes, and what ye shall say unto me I will give.

"12": Ask me never so much dowry and gift, and I will give according as ye shall say unto me: but give me the damsel to wife. There certainly was a covenant made before the man got a wife .

John, chapter 21
"25": And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.


Malachi, chapter 2
14: Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.

According to the above Scriptures there was a Ceremony for sure and also there was a covenant made for a marriage to take place. As far as a written document the Scripture does not say it in that manner but a covenant that involved a ceremony is certainly more that "just sleeping together".

My brother, none of these instructs us to get a paper. And who was involved in these examples? I don't see the state anywhere. The involvement was between the families.

I agree that marriage is more than "just sleeping together."

How many wives did Solomon have? Were they really married? What made them married?

 

[Brother Bob]

Joshua Hayes and his wife Anne nee (arpenicr were married some time, probably within days. after their marriage license was issued on October 23, 17(10.

Here was a marriage license issued long before the one you posted before in US so I summit that it goes back much farther than that.

I plainly told you that it didn't say anything about a paper and Solomon and David did a lot of things which are not the "laws of the land" today. With so much "adultery" in the world today, one of Satan's greatest weapons, why would a Christian or Minister advocate anything that would incourage such action I will never understand.

They were the State in those days

 

[Gershom]

Originally posted by Brother Bob:


I plainly told you that it didn't say anything about a paper and Solomon and David did a lot of things which are not the "laws of the land" today.

I understand that Solomon and David did things we don't do today, but the question remains. Why were they considered his wives and how did it come to be?

Originally posted by Brother Bob:
With so much "adultery" in the world today, one of Satan's greatest weapons, why would a Christian or Minister advocate anything that would incourage such action I will never understand.

What would that be? How is adultery being encouraged?

 

[Brother Bob]

Did you just now come in the thread and are you suggesting that we practice as Solomon and David for if you are then you are suggesting adultery. Are you suggesting that we get us some concubines also?

 

[Gershom]

Originally posted by Brother Bob:
Did you just now come in the thread and are you suggesting that we practice as Solomon and David for if you are then you are suggesting adultery. Are you suggesting that we get us some cocumbines also?

Save the propaganda. Can you answer the question or not?

 

[Brother Bob]

Are you in favor of polygamy also? It is not propaganda. You are the one who broght up Solomon and David as examples. I will give you an answer that the same reason they had concubines is the same reason they had different wives. Let me see you try it today!!!

 

[Gershom]

Originally posted by Brother Bob:
Are you in favor of polygamy also? It is not propaganda. You are the one who broght up Solomon and David as examples. I will give you an answer that the same reason they had concubines is the same reason they had different wives. Let me see you try it today!!!

I brought it up not as in favor of the practice, but asked WHY they were considered his wives. What made them his wives? Sincere question, no underlying motive. Need biblical understanding.

 

[Gina B]

This is getting pretty hilarious.

I suggest that it isn't illegal to be married under God and without the thumbs up from the government, and it turns into people suggesting I'm living with a guy I'm not married to, that those who believe this are promoting homosexuality, that we must believe people should have concubines, and so much more.

Married under biblical procedure alone? Why not just become a homosexual yourself!

Married by the government, with or without biblical procedure? DING DING DING DING! It's goooooood.

Married under biblical procedure alone? GIT YOU SOME CONCUBINES TOO YOU NASTY SINNERS!

Married by the government, with or without biblical procedure? God bless you!

Married under biblical procedure alone? You're Shackin' up baby! Twist and shout, IN HELL!

Married by the government, with or without biblical procedure? Congratulations.

*siiiigggghhhh*
Laundry calls. Yall have a nice day.

 

[Brother Bob]

Gina;
Your OP

My opinion is that when two people decide to be man and wife to each other, they are man and wife.

Whether or not they admit it. There is no "faking" it, it's always real.

You live together, you are intimate , you're married.

I take it a step further and say if you are intimate, you're married. You don't even have to live together. This does not include anything except mutual consent between two people who understand what they are doing.

Where is God in the arrangements, you want to talk about comical?

 

[Brother Bob]

Gershom;
They were the Kings, they made the laws. To disagree with them was sure death. We don't live under a King anymore natural so.

 

[Brother Bob]

GIT!!!

 

[Brother Bob]

John: 2
1: And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
2: And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
3: And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
4: Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
5: His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
6: And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
7: Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
8: And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.
9: When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,

Seems as though the governor was there and in charge at the wedding Jesus attended and He didn't seem to have a problem with the governor being involved.

[ April 15, 2006, 04:03 PM: Message edited by: Brother Bob ]

 

[Gina B]

Governor of the feast (John 2:9), who appears here to have been merely an intimate friend of the bridegroom, and to have presided at the marriage banquet in his stead.

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