Plus the "the after 3 days" resurection is not possible with a thurs. crucifixion.
That would place the "3rd day" on Sun. at sunset, when Mary Magdalene found Him on Sun. morning.
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What Day Did Christ Die?
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Plus the "the after 3 days" resurection is not possible with a thurs. crucifixion.
That would place the "3rd day" on Sun. at sunset, when Mary Magdalene found Him on Sun. morning.
That leaves us with Wed. fulfilling everything except the the disciples who said "this is the 3rd day.
To clarify "the after 3 days" remember around the 5 min. mark in the video the gentleman was proving that "after 3 days" is the same as "on the 3rd day? So he confirmed Christ rose from the dead "after 3 days."
That is not possible with a Thur. crucifixion. As I said, that would place Christ rising around sunset on Sun. when Mary Magdalene found Him on Sun. morning.
Alan Dale Gross
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"High Sabbath" = "Annual Sabbath" = "Feast Sabbath" = "Feast".
"In addition to the ordinary or "normal" weekly Sabbaths, God also determined 7 more "special" days of rest in the year, which He also called "days of rest", i.e. "Sabbaths"."Since these seven Annual Sabbaths are special holidays, they are also called "High Sabbaths," "Feast Sabbaths," "Holiest Sabbaths," "Great Sabbaths," or "Most Holy Sabbaths" (literally: σαββατα σαββατων = Sabbaths of the Sabbaths; Lev 16:31; 23:32).
"The rules of not working were kept especially strict on these days. If the weekly Sabbaths were to be observed, how much more so were the annual Sabbaths, which are also "days of God" (Lev 26:2; Isa 56:4; Jer 20:12-24; 22:8,26; 23:38; 44:24).
"The seven biblical High Sabbaths (feast days) are exactly enumerated in Lev 16; Lev 23 and Num 28-29. As the weekly Sabbaths begin and end, so do annual Sabbaths: "beginning at evening, from evening to evening shall you keep your Sabbath" (Lev 23:32), that means after sunset.
"The first two High Sabbaths take place in the very first month of the year, which is called "Abib" (month of ears of grain) or "Nisan".
"What made these days "great feasts/High Sabbaths"?
"Three times a year the people should gather with God, namely in spring, summer and autumn. There are therefore two Annual Sabbaths in spring (1st month Nisan), one in summer (3rd month Sivan) and four Annual Sabbaths in autumn (7th month Tishrei):""1. 1st month Nisan, 15th day: Passover 1, first day of unleavened bread (Pesach 1)
"2. 1st month Nisan, 21st day: Passover 7, last day of unleavened bread (Pesach 7)
"3. 50 days after the first festive Sabbath: Pentecost (Feast of Weeks, Shavuot)
"4. 7th month Tishrei, 01: Day of Trumpets (Yom Teruach)
"5. 7th month Tishrei, 10: Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur)
"6. 7th month Tishrei, 15: Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot)
"7. 7th month Tishrei, 22: Last Great Day (Shemini Atzeret)
"All 7 feasts or High/Great Sabbaths fall on different days of the week from year to year and only rarely on a weekly Sabbath (Saturday).
"What made these days so special? The Bible emphasizes that they were days of assembly (moedim) with God. The Holy Presence of God on these days made them "great/High days/Sabbaths". It was a Holy Time for the people of God, for God was Personally Gathered with them.
"Therefore, the calculation of the 7 feasts was always a very important task for the priests, which they kept exactly, because those who come too early or too late do not gather with the God of the Bible, but with themselves or with the gods of the pagans."
"The 7 Feasts of God are related to the Harvest."
"All seven High Sabbaths or feasts are related to the three agricultural harvest seasons of barley (spring), wheat (summer) and wine (autumn). They are also always thanksgiving festivals, both physically (agricultural) and spiritually."During the spring feasts we give thanks for the firstfruits of Jesus. In the summer (Pentecost) we give thanks for our Calling and Election as first-fruits through the Outpouring of the Holy Spirit and at the great autumn harvest we give thanks for the many who will receive Eternal Life after us.
"The first annual feast (Passover; days of Unleavened Bread) and the last (Feast of Tabernacles) each last seven days. The biblical feast days thus symbolize the Spiritual Harvest in God's Plan (more info)."
"The 1st of Nisan is the biblical beginning of the month and year. It begins with the first visible crescent of the moon, the so-called "new light". It is therefore also called "spiritual New Year". But the Jews today celebrate their "civil New Year" (state New Year) not in spring but in autumn on the 1st Tishrei (the 7th month), since in their opinion the earth was created on a Day of Trumpets (for more information, see the calendar)."In connection with the question about the day of the week on which Jesus was crucified, it is important to note that the Bible explicitly emphasizes that Jesus' death occurred on the day before a High Sabbath (Jn 19:31-33), i.e. before the feast Sabbath (the Passover feast day, annual Sabbath, 15th Nisan). This can fall on different weekdays.
"The Bible does not speak of the preparation day for a normal weekly Sabbath (Saturday), that is, not Friday, but before a preparation day for the High Sabbath (15th Nisan; see Pre-Sabbath), which can fall on different weekdays.
"This is a significant difference."
Martha and Mary came to the tomb early in the morning on Sunday and saw that His Body was Gone. "Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them", Luke 24:1. The Bible doesn't say that Jesus Rose from the Dead that early Sunday morning.
For the Wednesday crucifixion, it would have been Saturday as it was coming near 6:00 pm, which would then be the forth day, Sunday. Jesus had Risen according to the Sign of Jonah, on Saturday prior to 6:00 pm.
"these things were done."
The meaning of that expression, "since these things were done", meant and means what?
Luke 24:21
"But we trusted that it had been He which should have Redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done."
What "things"?
Not only His crucifixion, which prevented Him, as they had supposed that He was going to Redeem Natural Israel, but "these things" that were done included Jesus' Burial and having been observered to have been Laid in the borrowed tomb and left there, dead, on Thursday.
Counting from Thursday, Friday, is one day, Saturday is the second day and Sunday was "the third day since these things", including Jesus being left in the tomb, subsequently leaving them hopeless, they thought, "since these things were done", not counting starting with the crucifixion, alone, but starting from Jesus being left in the tomb on Thursday.
The Crucifixion? Wednesday.
"High Sabbath" = "Annual Sabbath" = "Feast Sabbath" = "Feast".
"In addition to the ordinary or "normal" weekly Sabbaths, God also determined 7 more "special" days of rest in the year, which He also called "days of rest", i.e. "Sabbaths".
"Since these seven Annual Sabbaths are special holidays, they are also called "High Sabbaths," "Feast Sabbaths," "Holiest Sabbaths," "Great Sabbaths," or "Most Holy Sabbaths" (literally: σαββατα σαββατων = Sabbaths of the Sabbaths; Lev 16:31; 23:32).
"The rules of not working were kept especially strict on these days. If the weekly Sabbaths were to be observed, how much more so were the annual Sabbaths, which are also "days of God" (Lev 26:2; Isa 56:4; Jer 20:12-24; 22:8,26; 23:38; 44:24).
"The seven biblical High Sabbaths (feast days) are exactly enumerated in Lev 16; Lev 23 and Num 28-29. As the weekly Sabbaths begin and end, so do annual Sabbaths: "beginning at evening, from evening to evening shall you keep your Sabbath" (Lev 23:32), that means after sunset.
"The first two High Sabbaths take place in the very first month of the year, which is called "Abib" (month of ears of grain) or "Nisan".
"What made these days "great feasts/High Sabbaths"?
"Three times a year the people should gather with God, namely in spring, summer and autumn. There are therefore two Annual Sabbaths in spring (1st month Nisan), one in summer (3rd month Sivan) and four Annual Sabbaths in autumn (7th month Tishrei):"
"1. 1st month Nisan, 15th day: Passover 1, first day of unleavened bread (Pesach 1)
"2. 1st month Nisan, 21st day: Passover 7, last day of unleavened bread (Pesach 7)
"3. 50 days after the first festive Sabbath: Pentecost (Feast of Weeks, Shavuot)
"4. 7th month Tishrei, 01: Day of Trumpets (Yom Teruach)
"5. 7th month Tishrei, 10: Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur)
"6. 7th month Tishrei, 15: Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot)
"7. 7th month Tishrei, 22: Last Great Day (Shemini Atzeret)
"All 7 feasts or High/Great Sabbaths fall on different days of the week from year to year and only rarely on a weekly Sabbath (Saturday).
"What made these days so special? The Bible emphasizes that they were days of assembly (moedim) with God. The Holy Presence of God on these days made them "great/High days/Sabbaths". It was a Holy Time for the people of God, for God was Personally Gathered with them.
"Therefore, the calculation of the 7 feasts was always a very important task for the priests, which they kept exactly, because those who come too early or too late do not gather with the God of the Bible, but with themselves or with the gods of the pagans."
"The 7 Feasts of God are related to the Harvest."
"All seven High Sabbaths or feasts are related to the three agricultural harvest seasons of barley (spring), wheat (summer) and wine (autumn). They are also always thanksgiving festivals, both physically (agricultural) and spiritually.
"During the spring feasts we give thanks for the firstfruits of Jesus. In the summer (Pentecost) we give thanks for our Calling and Election as first-fruits through the Outpouring of the Holy Spirit and at the great autumn harvest we give thanks for the many who will receive Eternal Life after us.
"The first annual feast (Passover; days of Unleavened Bread) and the last (Feast of Tabernacles) each last seven days. The biblical feast days thus symbolize the Spiritual Harvest in God's Plan (more info)."
"The 7 Sabbaths of the year in the calendar of God."
"The 7 annual Sabbaths in the biblical calendar of God and their meaning."
"The 1st of Nisan is the biblical beginning of the month and year. It begins with the first visible crescent of the moon, the so-called "new light". It is therefore also called "spiritual New Year". But the Jews today celebrate their "civil New Year" (state New Year) not in spring but in autumn on the 1st Tishrei (the 7th month), since in their opinion the earth was created on a Day of Trumpets (for more information, see the calendar).
"In connection with the question about the day of the week on which Jesus was crucified, it is important to note that the Bible explicitly emphasizes that Jesus' death occurred on the day before a High Sabbath (Jn 19:31-33), i.e. before the feast Sabbath (the Passover feast day, annual Sabbath, 15th Nisan). This can fall on different weekdays.
"The Bible does not speak of the preparation day for a normal weekly Sabbath (Saturday), that is, not Friday, but before a preparation day for the High Sabbath (15th Nisan; see Pre-Sabbath), which can fall on different weekdays.
"This is a significant difference."
Martha and Mary came to the tomb early in the morning on Sunday and saw that His Body was Gone. "Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them", Luke 24:1. The Bible doesn't say that Jesus Rose from the Dead that early Sunday morning.
For the Wednesday crucifixion, it would have been Saturday as it was coming near 6:00 pm, which would then be the forth day, Sunday. Jesus had Risen according to the Sign of Jonah, on Saturday prior to 6:00 pm.
"these things were done."
The meaning of that expression, "since these things were done", meant and means what?
Luke 24:21
"But we trusted that it had been He which should have Redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done."
What "things"?
Not only His crucifixion, which prevented Him, as they had supposed that He was going to Redeem Natural Israel, but "these things" that were done included Jesus' Burial and having been observered to have been Laid in the borrowed tomb and left there, dead, on Thursday.
Counting from Thursday, Friday, is one day, Saturday is the second day and Sunday was "the third day since these things", including Jesus being left in the tomb, subsequently leaving them hopeless, they thought, "since these things were done", not counting starting with the crucifixion, alone, but starting from Jesus being left in the tomb on Thursday.
The Crucifixion? Wednesday.
It had to be Wed. there is no other possibility.
37818
Well-Known Member
A tool to check calendar dates:
That's for sure! I'm sure of Wed, but not that sure.
37818
Well-Known Member
Wednesday ended at the midnight before His Thursday crucifixion.
37818
Well-Known Member
Wednesday was the day before.
Luke 24:20-21, And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
We know it wasn't Thur., He couldn't have risen after 3 days and Mary Magdalene have found Him Sun. morning.
He would have still been in the tomb.
37818
Well-Known Member
OK . Then what was the actual historical date?
*According to Mark 14:12 that day was Nisan 14th.
Exodus 12:18.
Exodus 12:6.
37818
Well-Known Member
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What was my understanding I explained in this thread?
Why does Deuteronomy 16:8 teach 6 days of unleavened bread?
What was my understanding I explained in this thread?
I believe Friday, but I definitely see the merit in the other theories.
37818
Well-Known Member
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The two Julian dates generally accepted:
30 AD April 7 Friday
33 AD April 3 Friday
Is there a calendar date?
The two Julian dates generally accepted:
30 AD April 7 Friday
33 AD April 3 Friday
We agree.
Jesus the passover died on the 14th between 3pm and 6pm entombed before the 15th the high sabbath. After the high sabbeth passed the women bought and prepared spices for the body [Mard 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.] but rested the weekly sabbath per the commandment [Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.]
Early at dawn the next day they found the tomb empty.
three days and three nights