What day is the Lord's Day according to Scripture?

[Yeshua1]

I point to scripture

In Romans 8 Paul insists that the born again saints will "By the Spirit put to death the deeds of the flesh".

And so in 1Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the commandments of God"

And in Rev 14:12 the saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus".

Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath" in the New Earth - "ALL mankind will come before ME to worship".

Rom 3:31 "Do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God"

But you respond




Clearly I forgot to provide this one more text of scripture.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.(NASB)


1John 5:2-3 KJV
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Another section of 1John not mentioned in the popular pulpits today -but certainly well affirmed in the Baptist Confession of faith in 1689, by C. H. Spurgeon in the 19th century, and also by D.L. Moody and today by R.C. Sproul and Andy Stanley and others.

No wonder Christ could say in Matt 5 that whosoever teaches others to ignore the least of God's Commandments is considered least in heaven. We can all thank God that these baptist sources above were more willing to embrace the Ten Commandments from Eden as given to Adam - until this very day as still applicable to the saints. (Rather than toss the Ten Commandments out the window.)

in Christ,

Bob

the keeping of the commandments of God are NOT to save or to keep us saved, correct?

paul says that we walk in faith, in the person of the HS, correct?

That whosoever abides in christ and walks in the Spirit will thus fulfill the law of christ, correct?

Chrsitians under the law of Chrsit, and His is to love the lord, and to love others as youself, and THAT is done in the power of the HS, correct?

Chrsitians are frred from the burden of keeping the equirements of the law in order to please God, peter said that NONE of them could as jews, so why burden the gentiles with such?

 

[saturneptune]

Yes, and they with Christ. Up till this moment as you argue with Christ about the Sabbath.

WHY? Because you do not like Christ's Sabbath He is Lord of? That's just too bad! Because it's not in vogue? That's just too inconceivable!

Why dont you read Matthew 28:1 and figure out which day is His. Actually all of them are. You and your magic act buddies are nothing but a salvation of dos and fonts. It requires no faith, no work of the Holy Spirit. If you worried as much about telling others about the Gospel as you do about Saturdays, raising people from the dead, snake bites, and magical languages, more would be saved.

 

[saturneptune]

the keeping of the commandments of God are NOT to save or to keep us saved, correct?

paul says that we walk in faith, in the person of the HS, correct?

That whosoever abides in christ and walks in the Spirit will thus fulfill the law of christ, correct?

Chrsitians under the law of Chrsit, and His is to love the lord, and to love others as youself, and THAT is done in the power of the HS, correct?

Chrsitians are frred from the burden of keeping the equirements of the law in order to please God, peter said that NONE of them could as jews, so why burden the gentiles with such?

I honestly do not think you can get through to these people. Eph 2:8-9 means nothing to them. They are so worried about Saturday, snake bites, raising the dead, hocus pocus messages, and faith healing, they do not give a second thought to faith, the work of Christ on the cross, or lost souls.

 

[Yeshua1]

Why dont you read Matthew 28:1 and figure out which day is His. Actually all of them are. You and your magic act buddies are nothing but a salvation of dos and fonts. It requires no faith, no work of the Holy Spirit. If you worried as much about telling others about the Gospel as you do about Saturdays, raising people from the dead, snake bites, and magical languages, more would be saved.

they could, but the problem is that they would not get the glory unless they can show all those great things they can do for jesus, and how hard to kept the law for him!

 

[BobRyan]

the keeping of the commandments of God are NOT to save or to keep us saved, correct?

paul says that we walk in faith, in the person of the HS, correct?

That whosoever abides in christ and walks in the Spirit will thus fulfill the law of christ, correct?

Christians under the law of Christ, and His is to love the lord, and to love others as youself, and THAT is done in the power of the HS, correct?

R.C. Sproul's sermon today was about Johh 8 and Christ's teaching that no matter what a person claims - the real proof is seen by what they do.

in the case of John 8 Christ said "IF Abraham were your father you would do the works of Abraham". He charged that their life of sin was proof that they were of their father the devil in John 8.

I suppose they could have put a nice face on it - in the form "oh no - anything we do is considered fulfillment of God's commandments".

But apparently Christ was not so willing to let sin go without commenting on it.

Chrsitians are frred from the burden of keeping the equirements of the law i

John said that we "Keep God Commandments" and that God's Commandments "are not burdensome". 1John 5:2-3.

But that is only for the saved.

Peter spoke of the fact in Acts 15 that the Law of God never required that gentiles be circumcised and that following all the man-made traditions of the Jews was something nobody could keep up with.

James insists that the problem need not worry the saints because the scriptures were being heard Sabbath.

Indeed Gentiles are showing up to hear scripture - Sabbath after Sabbath in Acts 13, Acts 17, Acts 18 ...

Too bad we never see that for week-day-1 in the NT - as I am sure you will agree.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

the keeping of the commandments of God are NOT to save or to keep us saved, correct?

John said that the one who does not keep God's Commandments is giving evidence that they are not saved (1John 2:3-7)

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

The obedient life - is the life of the saved saints. Not the life of the lost sinner trying to become saved.

And John adds this to his 1John 2:3-7 statement above.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.(NASB)


1John 5:2-3 KJV
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

the keeping of the commandments of God are NOT to save or to keep us saved, correct?

paul says that we walk in faith, in the person of the HS, correct?

That whosoever abides in christ and walks in the Spirit will thus fulfill the law of christ, correct?

Chrsitians under the law of Chrsit, and His is to love the lord, and to love others as youself, and THAT is done in the power of the HS, correct?

Chrsitians are frred from the burden of keeping the equirements of the law in order to please God, peter said that NONE of them could as jews, so why burden the gentiles with such?

Burden the Gentiles with WHAT, dear Jeshua1, with WHAT? What is your, "such", dear Jeshua1?
"The requirements of the Law in order to please God"? Instead of which to please God with WHAT, dear Jeshua1? With WHAT?!
"Burden" the Gentile "Chrsitians under the law of Chrsit"?--under the Law of Christ He said "is not burdensome" dear Jeshua1?! Is it, "such"?!

For WHAT then, dear Jeshua1, "GAVE JESUS THEM REST", for WHAT, dear Jeshua1? For to henceforth feast Christ's Resurrection on Sunday--the LIE and UNKNOWN?!

No! dear Jeshua1, NO! "For a SABBATH’S Feast for the [NEW] People of God", dear Jeshua1, "for a Sabbath's Day for the People of God to KEEP"!

“To keep / nurture / cultivate / hold dear / honour / remember” etcetera, dear Jeshua1, "FOR", THAT!

 

[Yeshua1]

John said that the one who does not keep God's Commandments is giving evidence that they are not saved (1John 2:3-7)

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

The obedient life - is the life of the saved saints. Not the life of the lost sinner trying to become saved.

And John adds this to his 1John 2:3-7 statement above.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.(NASB)


1John 5:2-3 KJV
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

in Christ,

Bob

the Christian does NOT keep the law in order to get right with God, nor to keep right with God, but in order to walk in a fashion pleasing to god and to benefit us!

Were you freely and fully justified/accepted/pardoned by god when you received jesus by faith as Saviour, or did god also reuest MUSt keep the Sabbath, kept jewish rules/foods etc in order to be acceptable to him?

 

[Yeshua1]

Burden the Gentiles with WHAT, dear Jeshua1, with WHAT? What is your, "such", dear Jeshua1?
"The requirements of the Law in order to please God"? Instead of which to please God with WHAT, dear Jeshua1? With WHAT?!
"Burden" the Gentile "Chrsitians under the law of Chrsit"?--under the Law of Christ He said "is not burdensome" dear Jeshua1?! Is it, "such"?!

For WHAT then, dear Jeshua1, "GAVE JESUS THEM REST", for WHAT, dear Jeshua1? For to henceforth feast Christ's Resurrection on Sunday--the LIE and UNKNOWN?!

No! dear Jeshua1, NO! "For a SABBATH’S Feast for the [NEW] People of God", dear Jeshua1, "for a Sabbath's Day for the People of God to KEEP"!

“To keep / nurture / cultivate / hold dear / honour / remember” etcetera, dear Jeshua1, "FOR", THAT!

So you would disagree with BOTH peter and james, who stated the law was a burden/yoke NONE of them could keep, and paul agrees with that inRomans 2?

Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?


Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.


Act 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.


Act 15:13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men [and] brethren, hearken unto me:


Act 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.


Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,


Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:


Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.


Act 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.


Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:


Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood.


Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.


Act 15:22 ¶ Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; [namely], Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
Do you agree with their decision? NOT to force the Sabbath/law keeping upon gentile converts?

 

[BobRyan]

So you would disagree with BOTH peter and james, who stated the law was a burden/yoke NONE of them could keep, and paul agrees with that inRomans 2?

No text says that.

In Acts 15 the subject is whether circumcision is required of gentiles - for salvation.

15 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

It is not at all about denying the Baptist Confession of Faith in 1689 where all TEN Commandments are affirmed as the moral law of God given to Adam in Eden and still binding on the saints today.

In Acts 15
5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?


The yoke is NOT the law of God, is NOT the Word of God, Is NOT the will of God that so many imagine it to be. The yoke is the tradition and made-up rules of the Pharisees.


5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.


There was NO command in the Law of Moses that Gentiles must be circumcised to be saved. The Pharisees just made it up.


Even Isaiah 56 and 58 affirm this point.


Thus Paul requires that Timothy be circumcised AFTER the Acts 15 decision - in Acts 16:1-3 because Timothy is of Jewish lineage but Paul does NOT require that Titus be circumcised in Gal 2:3 no matter the pressure from certain Christian Jews among the Pharisees to the contrary - because no such law existed in the Word of God. It was all just made up traditions of the Pharisees.

By Contrast PAUL said "what MATTERS is KEEPING the Commandments of God" the moral law of God and not circumcision the ceremonial law being applied to gentiles. 1Cor 7:19

The issue of Bible instruction regarding the gentiles coming into the church is addressed this way.

Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Are the gentiles who are interested in the God of the Bible IN the synagogues every Sabbath? - Read Acts 13, and Acts 17 and Acts 18 - and you will find the gentiles in the synagogues hearing the Gospel Sabbath after Sabbath!

Is 66:23 "From Sabbath to Sabbath" says God of the New Earth of Rev 21 "shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

the Christian does NOT keep the law in order to get right with God, nor to keep right with God, but in order to walk in a fashion pleasing to god

as Paul states in Rom 7 and as John states in 1John 3:4-11 the Law of God "defines sin' for "Sin is transgression of the Law".

As the Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689 states -

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[FONT=&quot]19. The Law of God [/FONT][FONT=&quot]


[/FONT][FONT=&quot]1. God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]


[/FONT][FONT=&quot]2. The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the ten commandments, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]



[/FONT][FONT=&quot]3. Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]4. To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]


[/FONT][FONT=&quot]5. The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]



[/FONT][FONT=&quot]6. Although true believers are not under the law as a covenant of works, to be justified or condemned by it, yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, because as a rule of life it informs them of the will of God and their duty and directs and binds them to walk accordingly. It also reveals and exposes the sinful pollutions of their natures, hearts and lives, and using it for self-examination they may come to greater conviction of sin, greater humility and greater hatred of their sin. They will also gain a clearer sight of their need of Christ and the perfection of His own obedience. It is of further use to regenerate people to restrain their corruptions, because of the way in which it forbids sin. The threatenings of the law serve to show what their sins actually deserve, and what troubles may be expected in this life because of these sins even by regenerate people who are freed from the curse and undiminished rigours of the law. The promises connected with the law also show believers God's approval of obedience, and what blessings they may expect when the law is kept and obeyed, though blessing will not come to them because they have satisfied the law as a covenant of works. If a man does good and refrains from evil simply because the law encourages to the good and deters him from the evil, that is no evidence that he is under the law rather than under grace. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]

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BTW - not sure if the Baptists ever figured this out - but in their statment above about "A covenant of works" - such a covenant for salvation based on a covenant of works - would be "another gospel". It never existed for the people of God - after the fall of Adam.

From the fall of Adam on - only ONE Gospel - saved by GRACE through faith!

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

BTW - not sure if the Baptists ever figured this out - but in their statment above about "A covenant of works" - such a covenant for salvation based on a covenant of works - would be "another gospel". It never existed for the people of God - after the fall of Adam.

From the fall of Adam on - only ONE Gospel - saved by GRACE through faith!

BRAVO!

Amen! and Amen!

 

[saturneptune]

BRAVO!

Amen! and Amen!

That is because you are more interested in being a Pharisee than living a Christian life.

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by BobRyan
BTW - not sure if the Baptists ever figured this out - but in their statment above about "A covenant of works" - such a covenant for salvation based on a covenant of works - would be "another gospel". It never existed for the people of God - after the fall of Adam.

From the fall of Adam on - only ONE Gospel - saved by GRACE through faith!

BRAVO!

Amen! and Amen!

Now see!? We have another voice here raised in favor of Paul's teaching in Gal 1:6-11 that there has ever been only "ONE Gospel".

Why some would object to the ONE Gospel teaching of Paul is pretty much a mystery.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

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Now see!? We have another voice here raised in favor of Paul's teaching in Gal 1:6-11 that there has ever been only "ONE Gospel".

Why some would object to the ONE Gospel teaching of Paul is pretty much a mystery.

in Christ,

Bob

It must be because according to some, some of us -- that's me, GE, now -- am >more interested in being a Pharisee than living a Christian life<.

Well Saturneptune, I shall pay serious attention to your reprimand, because you know, the seed of all evil still spreads its roots in this sinner, despite that God placed in me this great enmity against it. But grace will overcome at last; it comes from God, in the first place.

 

[Yeshua1]

[/I]




Now see!? We have another voice here raised in favor of Paul's teaching in Gal 1:6-11 that there has ever been only "ONE Gospel".

Why some would object to the ONE Gospel teaching of Paul is pretty much a mystery.

in Christ,

Bob

One way to be saved, thru the Cross of christ, received by faith, but administered in OT under the Law, now in NT under grace!

Under grace, saved thru faith in jesus, given the HS of promise, and secured by God, so we walk in the person of the HS, and we will live in and by Him!

 

[mactx]

Every day is the Lord's.`Rejoice and be glad in them all.

 

[Yeshua1]

Every day is the Lord's.`Rejoice and be glad in them all.

yes, for to him ALL days are the same now under new coveannt, so just pick one to set aside and honor him with!

 

[BobRyan]

Rev 1 "I was in the Spirit on THE Lord's day" - not "on any day you care to think of ".

James 2 "he who is guilty of breaking one of the Commandments - is guilty of breaking all".

Rev 14:12 the saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Every day is the Lord's.`Rejoice and be glad in them all.

Ja, tithes of mint and anise do not displease God, it's true. But TRUTH only with the last tithe reaches full package, and God is worshipped in TRUTH or not at all, not even in tithes of mint and anise only.


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