What Dispensationalism Provides?

[Me4Him]

No Jesus was not "obligated" to keep the law.

As the Supreme Law-giver, he is the one who makes the laws. He is not under the law; he is above or over the law. We need to understand that concept. He is God; the God-Man.

God/Jesus won't violate his law,

Judgment/condemnation/enforcement of the law is put on hold for the time being, we're under a "GRACE" period,

we don't have to die, "On the spot" as the woman/us would under the law,

eventually everyone will face Judgment/enforcement of the law.


The death of the "body of sin" for the church is a "Spiritual death" (crucify the old man)


Israel, back under the law during the trib, will die a "literal death" for their "Spiritual Fornication/adultery", "whoring after other gods", rejecting Jesus.

How many would still want to "Confess Jesus" if they knew that day or the next day, they would "literally die"???

 

[DHK]

God/Jesus won't violate his law,

Judgment/condemnation/enforcement of the law is put on hold for the time being, we're under a "GRACE" period,

we don't have to die, "On the spot" as the woman/us would under the law,

eventually everyone will face Judgment/enforcement of the law.


The death of the "body of sin" for the church is a "Spiritual death" (crucify the old man)


Israel, back under the law during the trib, will die a "literal death" for their "Spiritual Fornication/adultery", "whoring after other gods", rejecting Jesus.

How many would still want to "Confess Jesus" if they knew that day or the next day, they would "literally die"???

"Jesus won't violate his own law," and He didn't. Had he not died on the cross he still would not have violated his own law. He didn't have to die. It was his choice. We rightly deserve eternal death; eternal condemnation in Hell. Christ did not have to die for our sins. Out of grace he died for us; not out of obligation. He was not "obligated" by any law to do so.

He is above the law. He created the law. He is the Law-Giver.

 

[OldRegular]

The point is that under the law God gave to Moses, and Jesus was "obligated to keep", Jesus should have ordered her stoned, but he didn't.

In Leviticus 20:10 we read:

10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

John 8:3 tells us:

3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

The law states that both the man and woman should be put to death. Where was the man? Are you saying the Jesus Christ was obligated to pass execution on the woman alone. I believe that is the approach of Islam.

 

[Me4Him]

In Leviticus 20:10 we read:

10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

John 8:3 tells us:

3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

The law states that both the man and woman should be put to death. Where was the man? Are you saying the Jesus Christ was obligated to pass execution on the woman alone. I believe that is the approach of Islam.

We're not "commanded" to stone people to death if we catch them in adultery, that's the point.

 

[Marcia]

The point is that under the law God gave to Moses, and Jesus was "obligated to keep", Jesus should have ordered her stoned, but he didn't.

She got a "Second chance", as we all do, "GRACE" annuls the "LAW".

It would be interesting to know for sure what he was writing.

I agree with Old Regular (shock!) - they did not bring the man, just the woman.

Grace doesn't annul the law; the law is God's standard. God's grace does give us a pass on it through Christ, but that is not the same, imo, as annulling it.

Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law. Rom. 3.31

 

[Marcia]

Marcia

I do not want to offend you, a sister in Christ. If you came to the pre-trib position based on Scripture you should be able to present them and explain why.:love2:

OldRegular, even though you have made what I believe to be many derogatory comments about dispensationalism, I answered this post rather harshly and apologize. I was reacting to your statements on dispensationalism.

Yes, I should be able to explain but it would take too much effort and too many posts. It's not simply done, and I am still studying the matter. Also, I've been pretty ill. I can sit here and write on the BB but explaining something is another matter.

 

[OldRegular]

OldRegular, even though you have made what I believe to be many derogatory comments about dispensationalism, I answered this post rather harshly and apologize. I was reacting to your statements on dispensationalism.

Yes, I should be able to explain but it would take too much effort and too many posts. It's not simply done, and I am still studying the matter. Also, I've been pretty ill. I can sit here and write on the BB but explaining something is another matter.

Marcia, please believe me. I took no offense at your response.

 

[Martin Luther]

How does a dispensationalist deal with John 3:16? or Matthew 18:17 or Hebrews 12:23 or 1 Peter 5:13 ?

 

[Marcia]

How does a dispensationalist deal with John 3:16? or Matthew 18:17 or Hebrews 12:23 or 1 Peter 5:13 ?

I don't understand why you think a dispensationalist would have trouble with these verses.

 

[OldRegular]

How does a dispensationalist deal with John 3:16? or Matthew 18:17 or Hebrews 12:23 or 1 Peter 5:13 ?

How does a dispensationalist deal with John 5:28, 29 or 2 Peter 3:1-13, an epistle obviously written to the Church [2 Peter 1,2] speaking of the events associated with the second coming when they are, according to dispensationalists, not on earth?

 

[Martin Luther]

How does a dispensationalist deal with John 5:28, 29 or 2 Peter 3:1-13, an epistle obviously written to the Church [2 Peter 1,2] speaking of the events associated with the second coming when they are, according to dispensationalists, not on earth?

More questions than you can shake a stick at.[offensive attack deleted]

 

[Martin Luther]

I don't understand why you think a dispensationalist would have trouble with these verses.

Dispensationalist will tell you that Christ was not teaching salvation by faith alone. They claim "how can you have faith if the testator is still alive, salvation by faith did not start until the death of Christ"! (Hence the gospel do not teach salvation to the CHURCH age)They do this for oblivious reasons, namely that the gospels clearly indicate that one can turn from their faith and be counted as the heathen. John 3:16 clearly shows that Christ preached the gospel. The others are in books the dispensationalist claim are for the future Israelites, not those alive today, nor the apostles mind you, but only those who are not lucky enough to be raptured in the first last coming....

 

[Marcia]

More questions than you can shake a stick at. Most dispensationalist call themselves bible believers, this is simply not true. What's worse is how many people ignorantly follow their theology.

I consider this a very below the belt attack and reported it to the mods. It's an ad hominem, at the very least, and an unloving attack on fellow believers.

Unwarranted attack - totally unwarranted.

 

[Marcia]

Dispensationalist will tell you that Christ was not teaching salvation by faith alone. They claim "how can you have faith if the testator is still alive, salvation by faith did not start until the death of Christ"! (Hence the gospel do not teach salvation to the CHURCH age)They do this for oblivious reasons, namely that the gospels clearly indicate that one can turn from their faith and be counted as the heathen. John 3:16 clearly shows that Christ preached the gospel. The others are in books the dispensationalist claim are for the future Israelites, not those alive today, nor the apostles mind you, but only those who are not lucky enough to be raptured in the first last coming....

You are SO wrong. I totally believe that that salvation has always been by faith alone. I also believe in eternal security of the believer. So does my pastor (a dispensationalist), my mission board, and my seminary.

Where do you get this?

 

[Martin Luther]

I consider this a very below the belt attack and reported it to the mods. It's an ad hominem, at the very least, and an unloving attack on fellow believers.

Unwarranted attack - totally unwarranted.

Calm down, these are legitimate questions that I need answered.

 

[Marcia]

Calm down, these are legitimate questions that I need answered.

That was not a question; it was an attack and a low one.

 

[Martin Luther]

That was not a question; it was an attack and a low one.

Please explain how it was a low attack? Are you kidding me, maybe you could just explain why am wrong instead of throwing dust on your head....

 

[webdog]

Please explain how it was a low attack? Are you kidding me, maybe you could just explain why am wrong instead of throwing dust on your head....

I'm a dispensationalist, therefore according to you I don't believe the Bible. That, my friend, is an attack.

I reported your post, too.

 

[Me4Him]

Dispensationalist will tell you that Christ was not teaching salvation by faith alone.

They claim "how can you have faith if the testator is still alive, salvation by faith did not start until the death of Christ"!

I've never heard this before, so I'm shooting somewhat in the dark.

I agree that there was a "transitional period", you can't put new wine in old bottles, but for those who heard the gospel Jesus said:

Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

(Hence the gospel do not teach salvation to the CHURCH age)They do this for oblivious reasons, namely that the gospels clearly indicate that one can turn from their faith and be counted as the heathen.

A "Christians" has as much a chance of becoming "UN-Elect" as Israel does.

NONE.

John 3:16 clearly shows that Christ preached the gospel. The others are in books the dispensationalist claim are for the future Israelites, not those alive today, nor the apostles mind you, but only those who are not lucky enough to be raptured in the first last coming....

I'm totally in the dark here as to your meaning.

 

[Pastor Larry]

Dispensationalist will tell you that Christ was not teaching salvation by faith alone.

This is false. Some dispensationalists believe that, but we have a name for them ... heretics.

I am a dispensationalist and a five point Calvinist. The hermeneutic that made me one made me the other.