Once again we see the typical pattern of not even bothering to quote what this fellow thinks he is addressing.
Now, concerning the violence you do John's epistles: Jesus said something you would find hard to wrest.
John 11:25-26 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
John is not talking about any pattern of life and death.
Just want to point out that the pattern is seen in the actual passage I quoted in relation to this teaching.
You are once again illustrating why you never progress in any discussion you are ever involved in.
Now go back and quote what I said, quote the Scripture that is relevant to what I said, and let's see you deny that John is speaking of a pattern of life. The two are contrasted, and it is not teaching in regards to the physical life that believers never sin.
He is saying that those who believe in Him have eternal life even though bodily, they may die.
Did I deny that in regards to John 11?
Like all false teachers the only way you can seem to be seen credible in a debate is by not presenting what your antagonist actually said, and arguing something that your antagonist hasn't said.
Quote me, Aaron, and the Scripture, and the comments in the context they were given.
You won't, and your buddies won't, because it exposes your error by direct address of what you do say.
And when He says they shall never die, He means it, not because they by works have sanctified and purified and disciplined themselves, but because they have eternal life.
Where have I said anything that denies this truth?
Quote me.
The are partakers of the divine nature.
Where have I said anything that denies this truth?
Quote me.
When John says they cannot sin because they are born of God, that is what he means.
But it isn't what you teach...that those born of God never sin.
It is speaking of a pattern of sin in the life of a professing believer. This indicates that no such event ever took place. This is contrasted with those who do continually sin.
Just as every false teacher is exposed by his contradicting doctrine, you are exposed for teaching false doctrine, because you have John teaching contrary to what he has already stated, which is also taught by every Bible Writer, which is...born again believers are going to sin, and when they do...they must confess that sin. You miss the fact that they "purify themselves," which is only confused with the Washing of Regeneration by false teachers and babes.
That is why you won't quote me...because I pointed this out.
Here it is again:
John is speaking of a pattern of sin:
1 John 3
King James Version (KJV)
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
The two are contrasted and John does not establish a temporal sinless nature, but contrasts those who "purify themselves" with those who commit sin. If one is already pure, he need not purify himself, right? God is pure, not us.
John makes it clear in chapter 1:
1 John 1:8-10
King James Version (KJV)
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Again, John is not contradicting himself, but is contrasting the patterns of two very different types of people. One who purifies himself, and one who commits sin.
And I will point out that I let the Scriptures speak for themselves, so your excuse for not actually addressing what I have said is a lie only you believe. At leas, if you are going to respond...actually quote what is said.
Now, here is the point you are confusing, want to actually address it this time? Instead of simply offering opinions formed in your inability to understand what John and Christ teach concerning eternal life and sin?
He is not talking about patterns. He is talking about eternal life.
No, Aaron...we will not be confessing sin in eternity.
One will not be instructed to "purify themselves when they leave their physical body.
Wake up.
That which is born of God cannot be corrupted, cannot sin, and cannot die.
From an eternal perspective, I agree.
The problem is...John is not speaking about the eternal perspective.
You are butchering context.
This was not the life that was breathed into Adam. Adam was created by God. He was not begotten of Him.
Everyone that is born again is created by God, Aaron.
That is why we are called new creations, lol.
I would present you with a few verses concerning creation, but it would likely fall on deaf ears and blind eyes, as everything usually does for you.
If you want to understand your salvation, take a look at what kind of
new creature those who are born again actually are.
You deny Scripture itself in your false teachings:
Luke 3:38
King James Version (KJV)
38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Here is your teaching:
If it were the same, Adam could not have fallen, because he would have been begotten of God. John says of us that we cannot sin because we are born of God. We cannot be corrupted and we cannot fall away, being partakers of the divine nature. (And don't start with the "You think you don't sin?" stuff. I mean what John means) Nowhere is it written that Adam was born or begotten of God.
This is why you are afraid to quote what I actually say, because you know it exposes your error.
God bless.
