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emeraldctyangel
New Member
Do you feel the need to belong to a bunch of different causes? Seriously?
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OCC
Guest
No. In fact, I don't belong to them. I don't like some of the things they have done. But I do love animals and I wanted to know what problem others had with them. If it was the things they have done, or if they just didn't plain like animals.
Johnv...I don't know. Didn't God speak animals into existence and just make man out of the dirt? Kinda ironic that God put us over animals when we came from dirt eh? I think, in general that those who are godly would always treat animals decently...while those who are evil are much more likely to torture them, etc.
As for the first response on the whole thread, what I didn't like was the implication that just because something was run by "atheists", that one can't support it. What if one belongs to a union with an atheist union president? Do they leave?
KenH
Well-Known Member
Yes, local shelters are an excellent place to provide assistance.
HSUS is more in the area of general advocacy for the humane treatment of animals be they pets or in the wild or for human consumption. So if one is interested in this broader area HSUS is a lot more reasonable than PETA in its tactics and advocacy causes.
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OCC
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Thank you for the tip Ken. God bless ya brother.
Like I said, it's not your opinion, it's your self appointed job of telling everyone they are not being Christ-like that offends me. That is the Holy Spirit's job. Stop whining about it.Originally posted by King James:
LOL yeah you're probably right. Not allowed to have an opinion.
Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
What if one belongs to a union with an atheist union president? Do they leave?
Colossians 3:22 Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God;
Colossians 3:22 Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God;
4His_glory
New Member
KJ- Animals are not people. They are way below man on the scale of creation, thats why we are told to have dominion over them.
Should we abuse them? No, but killing them to eat them is not abuse. We ought to be good stewards of what God has given us.
So I say, "Wheres the beef?"
Should we abuse them? No, but killing them to eat them is not abuse. We ought to be good stewards of what God has given us.
So I say, "Wheres the beef?"
Gen 1 only says what God said, and what God created. It doesn't really touch upon what else GOd might have done in between speaking his creation,and his creation being completed. That's open for wide speculation. In the case of the first human, though, we're given a little more detail: We came from the inanimate earth. I suppose the author of Gen 2 didn't give us the deails about the other living things because they weren't pertinent to the story he was telling. We shouldn't assume one mode of creating is of more value to God than another. After all, we are the sole creatures that became a living soul.
That's not scripturally correct. Nothing created by God is "below" something else created by God. We may be worth more to God then others spiritually, but that does not equate to us being below them as far as being a living thing on earth. The sole difference between us and other living things is that we are the sole creation that is given dominion. Dominion here doesn't mean to do with as we please. Dominion means to have responsibility over. Dominion requires a certain level of humility. As a result of our failure to remember that sometimes, several of the same life forms we're to have dominion over have become extinct, or are endangered to the point of becoming so.
Now where's my cheeseburger?
Still bacon & eggs time out here.
emeraldctyangel
New Member
No. In fact, I don't belong to them. I don't like some of the things they have done. But I do love animals and I wanted to know what problem others had with them. If it was the things they have done, or if they just didn't plain like animals.
Johnv...I don't know. Didn't God speak animals into existence and just make man out of the dirt? Kinda ironic that God put us over animals when we came from dirt eh? I think, in general that those who are godly would always treat animals decently...while those who are evil are much more likely to torture them, etc.
As for the first response on the whole thread, what I didn't like was the implication that just because something was run by "atheists", that one can't support it. What if one belongs to a union with an atheist union president? Do they leave? </font>[/QUOTE]Didnt like the implication? That was not an implication - it was someone stating their choice of not participating in something they feel does not fully comply with their value system.
When did making a personal choice to not commit, comply, participate, or endorse a group become wrong wrong wrong? And why does anyone need to justify their reasoning?
PETA is laughable on their stand in many things, and one more notably hilarious is the Kentucky Fried Chicken thing. To take a stand for all those poor chickens...
I wouldnt care if this organization was endorsed by the President, any group that shows nude run footage on their websites and the stupidity of a contest called "Im too sexy for leather" isnt worth the bandwidth wasted on looking to see what they are into now.
I dont hate animals and I dont hate atheists. That's pretty much it.
I think pigs are as smart as dogs. But I'm betting dogs don't taste as good.
A little push back here and try and understand
p.e.t.a direct from the horses mouth(no pun intended)
Ingrid Newkird 08.03.2005
Steve Johnson is the former director of a monkey Abu Ghraib headquartered in Vienna, Virginia. You may remember Hazleton, as it was called back then, now Covance, the world’s largest supplier of and user of animals in product tests -- these are the tests in which animals have everything from Viagra to septic tank cleaner pumped into their stomachs, smeared on their raw, shaved backs, shoved up their noses, and dropped into their eyes.
The state of the art is such that the animals’ convulsions, ulcerations, and deaths are simply recorded on a chart with no treatment given to them during their often prolonged and severe suffering. Under the Clinton/Gore administration, PETA was able to secure some basic animal welfare considerations for major EPA animal testing programs, but is all hope now lost?
Just as I find it incredible that Lynndie England, who can barely grasp the meaning of simple sentences, and that lout who sired her child together masterminded the torture of prisoners in Iraq (modeled apparently on the “Survival Evasion Resistance Escape,” or SERE, training practices of our military “elite”), so it is that the blame cannot stop with Covance’s staff, who were recently caught on videotape slamming test monkeys onto metal tables and into metal walls, screaming obscenities at them at eye level, and otherwise terrifying them. Apparently, no one at the top kept an eye out or, if they did, objected to these routine behaviors, although causing psychological trauma to animals, including humans, can interfere with their immune systems and metabolism and thus skew test results. Small matter, though, if the money keeps pouring in from drug and household-product companies.
Back in Steve Johnson’s day, PETA uncovered Hazleton workers cutting off animals’ toes so as to make them easier to identify. Outside the Beltway, residents may remember Hazleton for another reason. In November 1989, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and a tactical medical military team outfitted in biohazard suits entered the lab, killed all the animals, and sealed the facility. Ebola virus had been discovered in sick monkeys brought in from the Philippines. We hear that even today, Covance has sick monkeys on its hands quite often and monkeys scared out of their wits all the time.
Justice-oriented people who watch the video that Covance sued PETA unsuccessfully to suppress (at CovanceCruelty.com) don’t like what they see. Perhaps it’s time to ask Steve Johnson what he’ll do on his watch to incorporate basic animal welfare provisions into all the EPA’ testing programs and to reduce the number of animals killed in pesticide toxicity testing -- currently 12,000 per pesticide, including dogs.
(my comment)
So my question is the Humane Society trying
to influence EPA standards as well and would
you be in favor of that?
Ingrid Newkirk bio
Blog and your comments
So the salient point is will the humane society and other Christian environmental groups put pressure on government regulations to prevent extreme measures against animals or do we turn a blind eye...my salient point is do we compete with p.e.t.a. and do the right thing.
Here is the Covance video:warning it is graphic
and depicts cruelty to animals.
http://covancecruelty.com/
G.Gordon Liddy
p.e.t.a direct from the horses mouth(no pun intended)
Ingrid Newkird 08.03.2005
Steve Johnson is the former director of a monkey Abu Ghraib headquartered in Vienna, Virginia. You may remember Hazleton, as it was called back then, now Covance, the world’s largest supplier of and user of animals in product tests -- these are the tests in which animals have everything from Viagra to septic tank cleaner pumped into their stomachs, smeared on their raw, shaved backs, shoved up their noses, and dropped into their eyes.
The state of the art is such that the animals’ convulsions, ulcerations, and deaths are simply recorded on a chart with no treatment given to them during their often prolonged and severe suffering. Under the Clinton/Gore administration, PETA was able to secure some basic animal welfare considerations for major EPA animal testing programs, but is all hope now lost?
Just as I find it incredible that Lynndie England, who can barely grasp the meaning of simple sentences, and that lout who sired her child together masterminded the torture of prisoners in Iraq (modeled apparently on the “Survival Evasion Resistance Escape,” or SERE, training practices of our military “elite”), so it is that the blame cannot stop with Covance’s staff, who were recently caught on videotape slamming test monkeys onto metal tables and into metal walls, screaming obscenities at them at eye level, and otherwise terrifying them. Apparently, no one at the top kept an eye out or, if they did, objected to these routine behaviors, although causing psychological trauma to animals, including humans, can interfere with their immune systems and metabolism and thus skew test results. Small matter, though, if the money keeps pouring in from drug and household-product companies.
Back in Steve Johnson’s day, PETA uncovered Hazleton workers cutting off animals’ toes so as to make them easier to identify. Outside the Beltway, residents may remember Hazleton for another reason. In November 1989, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and a tactical medical military team outfitted in biohazard suits entered the lab, killed all the animals, and sealed the facility. Ebola virus had been discovered in sick monkeys brought in from the Philippines. We hear that even today, Covance has sick monkeys on its hands quite often and monkeys scared out of their wits all the time.
Justice-oriented people who watch the video that Covance sued PETA unsuccessfully to suppress (at CovanceCruelty.com) don’t like what they see. Perhaps it’s time to ask Steve Johnson what he’ll do on his watch to incorporate basic animal welfare provisions into all the EPA’ testing programs and to reduce the number of animals killed in pesticide toxicity testing -- currently 12,000 per pesticide, including dogs.
(my comment)
So my question is the Humane Society trying
to influence EPA standards as well and would
you be in favor of that?
Ingrid Newkirk bio
Blog and your comments
So the salient point is will the humane society and other Christian environmental groups put pressure on government regulations to prevent extreme measures against animals or do we turn a blind eye...my salient point is do we compete with p.e.t.a. and do the right thing.
Here is the Covance video:warning it is graphic
and depicts cruelty to animals.
http://covancecruelty.com/
G.Gordon Liddy
In a world where unborn babies are ripped piece by piece and sucked from the saftey of their mother's womb, why is cruelty to animals any surprise? These are all perfect examples of godless generations with no regard or respect for God or the Creator of Life or life itself.