What do people have against PETA?

[Bro. Curtis]

I know I'm going to make some heads explode, but I support experimenting on animals to learn about such things as cancer prevention, disease eradication, and the prolonging of human life. Just because a minority abuse this, is no reason to eliminate it all. Plus, I wouldn't put too much stock in PETA blowing it's own horn about how much it has accomplished. To them, anything except animal worship is evil.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Originally posted by Bro. Curtis:
I know I'm going to make some heads explode, but I support experimenting on animals to learn about such things as cancer prevention, disease eradication, and the prolonging of human life. Just because a minority abuse this, is no reason to eliminate it all.

Agreed. I don't think you'll get much disagreement about this from folks here and maybe even agreement from the more open-minded PETA member.

 

[OCC]

Originally posted by Bro. Curtis:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by King James:
LOL yeah you're probably right. Not allowed to have an opinion.

Like I said, it's not your opinion, it's your self appointed job of telling everyone they are not being Christ-like that offends me. That is the Holy Spirit's job. Stop whining about it.

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. </font>[/QUOTE]I sorta kinda do it sarcastically...because the people I say it too...sorta kinda have a problem with judging my spiritulity so I sorta kinda do it back.

But thanks for telling me what problem you have with me. I will work on it.

 

[OCC]

Originally posted by 4His_glory:
KJ- Animals are not people. They are way below man on the scale of creation, thats why we are told to have dominion over them.

Should we abuse them? No, but killing them to eat them is not abuse. We ought to be good stewards of what God has given us.

So I say, "Wheres the beef?"

Hey 4Hisglory...I don't believe animals are people. I believe they are kinder and gentler than most people but don't believe they're people. I just love them...I believe God made me this way. I take my dominion over them seriously and never want to abuse it. I don't believe we're told to have dominion over animals because they are way below us though. I think we just have dominion because God told us to and He expects us to be good stewards.

 

[OCC]

Didnt like the implication? That was not an implication - it was someone stating their choice of not participating in something they feel does not fully comply with their value system.

emeraldcity said: "When did making a personal choice to not commit, comply, participate, or endorse a group become wrong wrong wrong? And why does anyone need to justify their reasoning?

PETA is laughable on their stand in many things, and one more notably hilarious is the Kentucky Fried Chicken thing. To take a stand for all those poor chickens..."

First, it was an implication. That is a fact. Second, they need to justify their reasoning because that IS the goal in a rational discussion which is what I wanted in the first place. But I will remember that statement of yours when you want me to back up anything I say.

As for the stand for all those poor chickens...you are clueless...and it was comments like that that was part of the inspiration for me to write this thread and ask this question. Thank you for answering it so succinctly.

 

[KenH]

"Increasing numbers of scientists and clinicians are challenging animal experimentation on medical
and scientific grounds.Considerable evidence demonstrates that animal experimentation is inefficient and unreliable, while newly developed methodologies are more valid and less
expensive than animal studies...

The value of animal experimentation has been
grossly exaggerated by those with a vested economic interest in its preservation. Because animal experimentation focuses on artificially created created pathology, involves confounding
variables, and is undermined by differences in
human and nonhuman anatomy, physiology, and pathology, it is an inherently unsound method to investigate human disease processes. The billions
of dollars invested annually in animal research would be put to much more efficient, effective, and humane use if redirected to clinical and epidemiological research and public health programs."

- www.mrmcmed.org/Critical_Look.pdf

 

[OCC]

Originally posted by Bro. Curtis:
I know I'm going to make some heads explode, but I support experimenting on animals to learn about such things as cancer prevention, disease eradication, and the prolonging of human life. Just because a minority abuse this, is no reason to eliminate it all. Plus, I wouldn't put too much stock in PETA blowing it's own horn about how much it has accomplished. To them, anything except animal worship is evil.

I am not in support of using animals for research. We have a Father in heaven who can cure cancer and so far there has been NO cure for cancer despite the hundreds of millions of dollars donated and the many animals who were most likely tortured. If we need to experiment on animals then that means we are nothing but animals ourselves. I'm sorry...I have a human heart not a pig heart. Experimentation on pig's hearts do not accomplish anything.

You can be in support of it all you want...we don't know each other from a hole in the ground. But I will go on record saying I strongly disagree. Unless testing can be done without cruelty I am not for it. We have a big God, we should probably act like it.

Note to the peanut gallery: I don't support PETA myself. It is because of the wrong things they have done but it is not because I do not care about animals. Again, that was the WHOLE purpose of this thread. I saw people talking about PETA and wanted to know what they had against them. I hope for the last time, people can see that and I do not have to explain myself again.

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by King James:
so far there has been NO cure for cancer despite the hundreds of millions of dollars donated

Probably more like billions and billions. Which makes one wonder that if a cure for all cancer was found tomorrow what would happen to all the people who make their living off of researching cancer?

 

[OCC]

Originally posted by KenH:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by King James:
so far there has been NO cure for cancer despite the hundreds of millions of dollars donated

Probably more like billions and billions. Which makes one wonder that if a cure for all cancer was found tomorrow what would happen to all the people who make their living off of researching cancer? </font>[/QUOTE]Bingo! You got it Ken. Sin has reached as far as the medical community (they want the dollars) and the science community (they want to torture animals).

 

[His]

Originally posted by KenH:
Here's a way you can help animals on a daily basis for free -

www.theanimalrescuesite.com

 

[His]

Originally posted by KenH:
Here's a way you can help animals on a daily basis for free -

www.theanimalrescuesite.com

This IS an excellent site, KenH!
I 'click' daily... shows up in my mailbox...

 

[OCC]

Yeah, I got that. Thanks for posting it again.

That is the cutest dog on the main page...

 

[4His_glory]

Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 4His_glory:
KJ- Animals are not people. They are way below man on the scale of creation, thats why we are told to have dominion over them.

That's not scripturally correct. Nothing created by God is "below" something else created by God. We may be worth more to God then others spiritually, but that does not equate to us being below them as far as being a living thing on earth. The sole difference between us and other living things is that we are the sole creation that is given dominion. Dominion here doesn't mean to do with as we please. Dominion means to have responsibility over. Dominion requires a certain level of humility. As a result of our failure to remember that sometimes, several of the same life forms we're to have dominion over have become extinct, or are endangered to the point of becoming so.

Now where's my cheeseburger? </font>[/QUOTE]There are scales of God's creation. Man is "a little lower than the angels" animals are below man.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by 4His_glory:
There are scales of God's creation. Man is "a little lower than the angels" animals are below man.

Good point, and one of my favorite verses. What are we that God is mindful of us? He has made us a little lower than the angels, and crowned us with glory and honor. Very inspiring and uplifting. And very humbling that God thinks so much of us.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Originally posted by King James:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bro. Curtis:
I know I'm going to make some heads explode, but I support experimenting on animals to learn about such things as cancer prevention, disease eradication, and the prolonging of human life. Just because a minority abuse this, is no reason to eliminate it all. Plus, I wouldn't put too much stock in PETA blowing it's own horn about how much it has accomplished. To them, anything except animal worship is evil.

I am not in support of using animals for research. We have a Father in heaven who can cure cancer and so far there has been NO cure for cancer despite the hundreds of millions of dollars donated and the many animals who were most likely tortured. If we need to experiment on animals then that means we are nothing but animals ourselves. I'm sorry...I have a human heart not a pig heart. Experimentation on pig's hearts do not accomplish anything.
</font>[/QUOTE]Actually, we have cured Chicken Pox, and several other diseases from injecting horses with a virus, and making medicine from the blood extracts.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Bro. Curtis:
Actually, we have cured Chicken Pox, and several other diseases from injecting horses with a virus, and making medicine from the blood extracts.

I concur with where Bro Curtis is going here. Pigs are also killed to harvest their heart valves for transplantation into humans, to replace defective heart valves. When this is done, most of the rest of the pig carcass is destroyed. Artificial hearts are currently being tested on cows and pigs. If they fail, the animal dies.

I'm not sayin we should have a "free-for-all" with animal testing, but when it is necessary and all other avenues have been reasonably exhausted, I don't think using an animal as a test subject is immoral in any way.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

If we need to experiment on animals then that means we are nothing but animals ourselves.

Opinion, not fact.

 

[OCC]

Bro.Curtis...did that involve cruel treatment? If not, that's fine. If it did then we have a God we can pray to to heal something or to protect us from getting sick in the first place.

But...I didn't know we cured chicken pox. My three nephews all had it in a span of a few weeks.

 

[OCC]

Originally posted by Bro. Curtis:
If we need to experiment on animals then that means we are nothing but animals ourselves.

Opinion, not fact.

Um..no...it's fact. If we are not animals, then why do we need to experiment on them? To experiment on them logically means that we have similarities to them otherwise we would not bother.

BTW...at least I give you a basis for my opinion even if it is only an opinion. I was asked earlier why anyone has to do that. I do it because if I don't, I might as well not be posting at all. Can you give a basis for saying it is opinion and not fact?

 

[OCC]

Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bro. Curtis:
Actually, we have cured Chicken Pox, and several other diseases from injecting horses with a virus, and making medicine from the blood extracts.

I concur with where Bro Curtis is going here. Pigs are also killed to harvest their heart valves for transplantation into humans, to replace defective heart valves. When this is done, most of the rest of the pig carcass is destroyed. Artificial hearts are currently being tested on cows and pigs. If they fail, the animal dies.

I'm not sayin we should have a "free-for-all" with animal testing, but when it is necessary and all other avenues have been reasonably exhausted, I don't think using an animal as a test subject is immoral in any way. </font>[/QUOTE]Ok fine. But what about praying to God?

I don't understand why using an animal who is already alive for experiments is not immoral but brain stem research is immoral. I also don't understand why many Christians think of animals as nothing. Oh well...such is life in a fallen world eh?