What do you think of Day Care

There are a whole host of issues associated, what about debt? How many families have two working parents because they are slaves to credit card companies? Do we keep quiet about what the bible says regarding the borrower being servant to the lender because someone with a credit card will feel condemned? Or should the church offer low interest debt consolidation loans to help these folks? Finding out that you have been believing a lie is never a happy experience, and some folks will 'get lost' when you shed light on the matter.

 

but I don't think we are saying "keep silent".......we're just saying there are certain scenarios in which to deal with these issues, and other scenarios where we just minister to the immediate need, first.

The preaching is when something should be said......or if the couple is coming to the pastor for counselling and this might be a factor in their counselling time.

Let's use your credit card example.......the preacher most certainly says things about Biblical principles regarding debt and such.....but if we know that a particular family is in deep credit card debt, as a church member we do not go up to them and confront them on it. We let the Holy Spirit do the convicting through the pulpit preaching and through their own personal walk with God.

 

Golly, Bitsy!!! You ladies are going on about Day Care like the families are "hooked" and can't get out and need help-----treating forms of help like a new style of AA

"Tired of Day Care??? Let us help!!!"

I'm surprised none of the ladies have commented on the "economic" pinch of day care

Mom/Dad put the kids in day care primarily so that it will release mom to work

More income means (1) possibly helping to reduce self made debt-----but why pay day care xxxxx amount of $$$$$$'s just to help yourself reduce debt??? I'm just saying that Day Care could possibly "cause" more debt----so why go in debt to get out of debt????

If folks would just stand back and do their math----it doesn't take Jethro Bodine to figure out that Day Care is the biggest expense in the family budget.

Throwing money at day care ----- there is absolutely no "return" on the so called investment----which is not an investment but a libility.

I can go to the chalk board and show a class of 30 women how to get out of day care----why get out of day care---and when they can get out of day care---------and 99.9999999% of 'um won't

WHY???

a five letter word











Pride



You destroy pride and you'll get that monkey off your back!!!!

And the next thing I know-----somebody will be posting how they can prove that Joseph & Mary had Jesus in day care and it was the best thing that ever happened to the little feller!!!

 

blackbird,

I like your class idea........maybe you could write it out and publish the lesson notes so they're available for people to teach in their churches?

Ive come to believe that God does not seem to be against women working outside the home completely. The Proverbs 31 woman seems to be a lady who is running her own business - or in the least doing some things from her home to raise some income. We need to remember that our home is our first priority, though.

And maybe Im coming at this from a little different perspective because Im in an inner-city church here in Milwaukee. A large portion of our congregation is made up of single moms OR moms who have made poor choices in life as to who they "hook their star" to, and now they find themselves with a husband who won't work. Most of our people were not raised in a Christian home, and we're all attempting to break the cycle here. But in the meantime, there's got to be something we can do for their kids.

I mean, to just say "well, you can survive without daycare" and offer a class on how (which I think is useful and actually very much needed!), but to not offer anything in the interim, isn't that like telling the family "Go and be thou fed and warm" without offering them any food or warm clothing?


Hey, maybe there's a reason God wants both men and women in the church.............

the men are going to concentrate on those logical, reasonable solutions to the big "disease"............

the women are going to concentrate on passing out bandaids, patching up wounds, and offering painkillers.............

 

Good point. But if it were about economic feasibility, then my husband should've stayed home with the kids when they were young. My hourly rate is much more than hubbys. (BTW, our hourly wages are not an issue between us.)

Truthfully, I savor every hour I get to spend with my kids. If we had to do it all over again, we'd do it just the same.

As you have pointed out, and I agree, these decisions are individual and can only be decided through spousal partnerships. On the other hand, single mothers have little choice in the matter. Do Steve and I feel we put our kids at risk? Heavens no!

Indeed! :laugh:

I hope you had a fun and successful field trip today. I worked also but didn't have nearly that much fun! I miss the boy's field trips.

 

What if her take-home pay is $2400 a month instead?

I agree with you that it doesn't make economic sense for someone to put three kids in day care for a job that brings home less than 15k. That's insanity. However, is this really the case? I would think that most people with a BA would not be working for such low wages.

 

It's certainly reasonable to believe that a woman with a degree could make enough money to cover the cost of daycare and then some. But is it right? That is really the issue. If there is no right/wrong aspect to putting children in daycare while momma persues a career, then the discussion is a waste of time.

 

I think Americans have a perverted idea of what "making it" is. We have grown accustomed to a general prosperity that was previously unknown. I'm certainly not saying it is wrong to have things and to have a nice home, etc... but Paul gave us this admonition:
1 Timothy 6:6-8
6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

How many of us would truly be content with food and clothes? But if it came down to a choice of losing things, like your home, or putting the wife out to work, perhaps it might be better to have a smaller home. We can easily convince ourselves that perceived needs outweigh the benefit of having mother home with the children.

Proverbs 15:16-17
16 Better is little with the fear of the LORD than great treasure and trouble therewith.
17 Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred therewith.

 

these are good points.......and I think this is really why for the most part we have to leave this issue to be dealt with through preaching and the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

 

It is my personal belief that day care is not the most beneficial arrangement. and, as such, it should not be the primary option pursued. However, I recognize that it is necessary for some.

 

Mothers on welfare stay home with their kids a lot and the cycle continues until someone decides to work. It is not so much about being home as it is about what you do with them and the example you give them.

Just last night on the TV the news reported that mothers spend an average of 4 more hours per weeks than their mothers did with them. Kids today are less confident and less self sufficient because their parents do everything for them.

I do not see the woman in Prov 31 as being totally a stay at home mom. She buys a field and plants it. She is resourceful and works hard not only at home but outisde of the home.

During WW 2 a lot of women worked and I would say that the world then was much more moral and crime was much less than today. I have never known my mother to not work. We had a farm. She was a stay at home mom. Everything was done at home.

Motivation in families usually has a long line of history just as does welfare.

 

That is because the cell phone companies has led them to believe they need one in case of an emergency. Yet, crime is down compared to a few years ago.

 

What do you think of Day Care?

I agree with it. Every day should be taken care of.

 

I saw this and thought it was interesting to this discussion.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,261141,00.html