standingfirminChrist
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Just wondering Joe. when yer riding that bike, do ya take that headcovering off before praying?
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Then what do these verses mean:trustitl said:The practice of being contentious is being performed by those that are setting standard of length of hair and forcing women to wear cloth on their heads. Paul is telling the Corithians to stop striving over such things. You will not find the words "women need to wear a headcovering".
You have completely ignored the commands given in 1Cor.11:1-16. The Scripture given above does not negate what Paul teaches in 1Cor.11. The Bible does not contradict itself. What are you saying? All things are lawful unto me--murder? adultery? theft? Anything I don't want to do, even if the Lord commands it, is my choice to disobey because "all things are lawful unto me." That is not the meaning of that verse!!trustitl said:Paul is saying a woman needs to be under her husbands authority, hence the use of the word exousia. This is what she needs on her head. If you want to have a symbol of that on her head go ahead, but don't get contentious and try make it a custom for all churches.
Luke 23:7 "And as soon as he knew that he belonged unto Herod's jurisdiction(greek exousia), he sent him to Herod, who himself also was at Jerusalem at that time."
I Cor 6:12 All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered (greek exousiazo: verb form of exousia) by anything.
I Cor. 7:4 The wife does not have authority (greek exousiazo) over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.
BTW, Jesus was pointing out to the Jews that they were unable to stop themselves from sinning with these words in Matthew. He was the only way they could be free from the power of sin. Obedience to his word was not the point, but rather the circumcision made without hands and the putting off the body of flesh was. See Col. 2:11. This is how we can be free from sin, not trying to obey his word. The Pharisees had been trying that for hundreds of years and it hadn't worked. A lack of understanding this is what makes people look for things in God's word to "obey". We need to obey in the sense of being under the authority of Christ in everything we do. That is life changing. That will make a wife submissive, not passive. A piece of cloth on her head is of no value for her unless her husband, in error, tells her to wear it. She is in submission to her husband, he is mislead (like I used to be on this subject).
What is the "power" on her head? Is it "hair" or an actual head-covering. It is not hair; but an actual head-covering. If she is not wearing a head-covering she should be shorn. That is what the verse says, and it is not a custom, but a command.trustitl said:I have not completely ignored what Paul teaches here. Paul says "for this cause" a woman is to have power (exousia) on her head. I confirm that. You are the one that says she needs something more that what Paul is saying. You are free to do that, but to say that I am completely ignoring what Paul is saying is pretty extreme.
In the first few verses Paul demands that every woman be covered with a head covering. There is no dispute about this. It is clear as crystal. Verse 15 does not define the first few verses of the chapter.Paul does not say that a woman's hair is her glory. He says it is A glory and A covering, but it is not what she needs to be covered with. Also, it is only nature that teaches us that. Nature teaches us a lot, but it is not what we are to base our customs on.
And you most likely do not advocate cutting off your hand every time it cause offense, or plucking out your eye every time it causes you to sin. Therein is the grammatical parallel.trustitl said:DHK
If she is not wearing a head-covering she should be shorn. That is what the verse says, and it is not a custom, but a command.
Do you or your church advocate shaving the heads of women who will not wear of piece of cloth on their head? You say it is a command, yet you most likely do not obey what it says according to your understanding.