I have done a bit of research on this topic and need to do more as I do not feel I have a clear idea of what beliefs make a person a hypercalvinist. I did find the following and would like comments and clarifications.
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What does a hypercalvinist believe?
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Here's my understanding of the "hyper" part.
It's when one takes calvinistic doctrines and over emphasizes them to the point of ignoring biblical truth. Examples included over emphasizing election to the point of disobeying the biblical command to share the gospel. Words have meanings and "hyper" means to take something to the extreme. So here it's taking calvinism to the extreme.
It's when one takes calvinistic doctrines and over emphasizes them to the point of ignoring biblical truth. Examples included over emphasizing election to the point of disobeying the biblical command to share the gospel. Words have meanings and "hyper" means to take something to the extreme. So here it's taking calvinism to the extreme.
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So, what you are saying is that normal Calvinists don't 100% believe Calvinism?
No, I said that a hyper Calvinist is one that OVER EPMHASIZES the doctrines of Calvinism.
Did you not read what I wrote?
Would be same that Armenims dont follow teachings "fully'
If one did, would have to say that good chance God has provided for so much unlimited atonement that all will become saved, Universalism...
Just saying Hyper cal go beyond what Bible states, thats all!
Greektim
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Clearly he didn't... you gave a good definition.
yes, they will use the Bible to try to say that God does Double predestination, directly elects those saved, those damned..
No need to preach Gospel, as God only loves his elected ones, and He will save them regardless.
So a Christianity with no proclamation of Gospel, God so loved his Elect only, and everything has been so predetermined its almost fatalistic...
Sounds more like God of Islam, Allah, Than Yahweh!
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I did a thread a while back establishing what Calvinists, particularly those from Monergism and Spurgeon.com (as well as some other sites) state the Hyper both is and entails. Since the term hyper-cal is defined in a general but accurate sense as going 'beyond' the tenants and views of 'historic' Calvinism.
Thread found here
The list you give, if I'm not mistaken, is a concise listing from the cite (though copied by others) from Spurgeon.com
Th term calvinism is one the most abused names used to-day. For example, if one follows the original Institutes, one might very well be called a hyper-calvinist. Calvin, however, changed his thinking over time, and there is a huge theological difference between the Institutes and his commentary on Romans.
The terms calvinist and hyper-calvinist has to do with the decrees of God, and the order we place them. For example, A.H. Strong lists the decrees as follows:
1. The decree to create.
2. The decree to permit the Fall.
3. The decree to provide in Christ sufficient the needs of all.
4. The decree to secure the actual acceptance of this salvation on the part of some. In other words, the decree of Election.
It is impossible to make assertions about people being calvinist or hyper-calvinist without first understanding theology. We cannot give a yes or no answer simply, but a hyper-calvinist generally holds to a supralapsarian view. Baptists, who adhere to calvinism, generally are sublapsarian in their vew of election.
To-day, there are a lot of misapplications of labels, but this stems from a lack of both theological and historical knowledge. In plain English, we tend to leap rather than walk through theology.
Cheers,
Jim
The terms calvinist and hyper-calvinist has to do with the decrees of God, and the order we place them. For example, A.H. Strong lists the decrees as follows:
1. The decree to create.
2. The decree to permit the Fall.
3. The decree to provide in Christ sufficient the needs of all.
4. The decree to secure the actual acceptance of this salvation on the part of some. In other words, the decree of Election.
It is impossible to make assertions about people being calvinist or hyper-calvinist without first understanding theology. We cannot give a yes or no answer simply, but a hyper-calvinist generally holds to a supralapsarian view. Baptists, who adhere to calvinism, generally are sublapsarian in their vew of election.
To-day, there are a lot of misapplications of labels, but this stems from a lack of both theological and historical knowledge. In plain English, we tend to leap rather than walk through theology.
Cheers,
Jim
Osage Bluestem
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A Hyper Calvinist is someone who will not evangelize because they think there is no point since God is sovereign. That is the one true and special mark that only hypercalvinists have.
They also deny that the atonement is applied to the elect by the Holy Spirit at teh time they come to faith in Christ. Instead they believe the atonement was applied in eternity past. They mistake justification from eternity past to be justification in eternity past.
They also deny that the atonement is applied to the elect by the Holy Spirit at teh time they come to faith in Christ. Instead they believe the atonement was applied in eternity past. They mistake justification from eternity past to be justification in eternity past.
I'm sorry, I'm not a Hyper-jbh28er. I only believe part of what you wrote. :smilewinkgrin:
There is more to it than just that. Go to my last post and check out the link I posted to another thread I did a while back on the subject
Osage Bluestem
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Interesting. Have you ever seen the calvinism chart posted on Feileadh Mor?
Link: http://feileadhmor.wordpress.com/2010/01/09/calvinism-chart/
OB's chart-maker's impressive academic credentials? A two-year stint at an Assemblies of God Bible college.:thumbs:
http://www.imagodeicc.org/radio/jonathan-goundry-visits-soa/
And it appears that this Rev. has returned to the Pentecostal fold after a brief hop on the Baptist-Reformed bandwagon.
http://www.imagodeicc.org/radio/jonathan-goundry-visits-soa/
And it appears that this Rev. has returned to the Pentecostal fold after a brief hop on the Baptist-Reformed bandwagon.
Here's a good short book on the subject...
http://www.monergismbooks.com/Spurgeon-v-HyperCalvinism-The-Battle-for-Gospel-Preaching-p-16261.html
http://www.monergismbooks.com/Spurgeon-v-HyperCalvinism-The-Battle-for-Gospel-Preaching-p-16261.html
You got it.