quantumfaith
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Psalms: Do not pay "lick" of attention of pft's condemnation of your writing skills. You write as you feel and are capable.
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What Does "All" Mean?
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preacher4truth
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I have read the King James, The NIV, the NASB, the NEw King James James the new new NIV.
These are the only on'e i can confirm. All of them taught me.
You are misrepresenting me, because the only answer will be that I believe God was in control when they were being translated. He gave us what we need to know, You know there is no date or time or translation and you know what i meant by what i said because of that
Put an end to your false accusation of being misrepresented and instead answer your own statements and assertions. You've claimed God translated the Holy Bible. Now prove it and quit tucking tail and claiming yourself to be misrepresented. Prove your statements or recant them.
Once again:
Yes. Now show us which Holy Bible it was that He had translated 'when He did'.
I've not misrepresented you, in fact I am calling you out to prove your statement. :wavey:
Date, version, and the time, so we know which one (Holy Bible) He endorses.
Answer each question or put an end to your false assumptions.
psalms109:31
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Put an end to your false accusation of being misrepresented and instead answer your own statements and assertions. You've claimed God translated the Holy Bible. Now prove it and quit tucking tail and claiming yourself to be misrepresented. Prove your statements or recant them.
Once again:
Answer each question or put an end to your false assumptions.
Had the Holy Bible translated for people to read for themselves what it say's so world will say world.
preacher4truth
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Had the Holy Bible translated for people to read for themselves what it say's
So you have nothing to offer for proof in defense of your statement.
psalms109:31
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So you have nothing to offer for proof in defense of your statement.
Sovereignty of God.
psalms109:31
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Psalms: Do not pay "lick" of attention of pft's condemnation of your writing skills. You write as you feel and are capable.
Thank you my education is limited, but my desire to to know the heart of God through His word. People wants us to question what has been given to us to do so.
DrJamesAch
New Member
And He did. World = age, not every man woman and child.
NO, eon means age, kosmos means world. There are times when eon is translated world, but don't say "world=age" as if that's always what it means. Eon was used in Matthew 28:20, but ton kosmos was used in John 3:16
preacher4truth
Active Member
Sovereignty of God.
Such is no answer.
Prove the version He translated. 'had the Holy Bible translated when He Did.'
Which one did He have translated?
psalms109:31
Active Member
Such is no answer.
Prove the version He translated. 'had the Holy Bible translated when He Did.'
Which one did He have translated?
Your purpose is not to understand but to make fun of me.
You know what i meant.
preacher4truth
Active Member
Your purpose is not to understand but to make fun of me.
You know what i meant.
I'm not making fun of you. I'm asking which one He had translated.
Do tell.
DrJamesAch
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He loved the age.
So you're saying everyone and all went after Him? Nothing in these texts limits it to Pharisees as you suggest. There were more than this who came after Him. Thus it wasn't only Pharisee's, nor your 'pharisees perspective'.
He loved the AGE??? You've GOT to be joking? If "God so loved the AGE" then that means nobody after whatever random age you think He meant expires is ever getting saved.
ON the other hand, since Jesus said "I am with you to the end of the world" where aion was used, then we can just bootstrap that meaning on to John 3:16 and then it still has the same intended meaning. But of course, I'd rather not tamper with the Bible like that. You can knock yourself out!
...He loved the AGE. That's gonna bring some chuckles for a while.
psalms109:31
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I'm not making fun of you. I'm asking which one He had translated.
Do tell.
I read the NIV, NASB, NKJ, KJ. I am not an ___ only person. I liked them all.
The Holy Bible is being translated in so many Languages so others can read it.
If God isn't in translated the word of God for them and for us, then we being lead by men and their understanding and not the word of God.
I am so glad we are not in the days were we can't see for our self what is really there and depend on a man.
saturneptune
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And in the exact same verse, you have no idea what "whosoever" means.He loved the AGE??? You've GOT to be joking? If "God so loved the AGE" then that means nobody after whatever random age you think He meant expires is ever getting saved.
ON the other hand, since Jesus said "I am with you to the end of the world" where aion was used, then we can just bootstrap that meaning on to John 3:16 and then it still has the same intended meaning. But of course, I'd rather not tamper with the Bible like that. You can knock yourself out!
...He loved the AGE. That's gonna bring some chuckles for a while.
DrJamesAch
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You just keep telling yourself that "God so loved the AGE". If "whosoever" were to be interpreted in light of that marvelous epiphany, it would mean that "whosoever" was limited to that particular age.And in the exact same verse, you have no idea what "whosoever" means.
Sometimes planning ahead for the trip and making sure you have enough clean underwear is better than just jumping in the car and taking off! NORAD couldn't help navigate you and R4T out of this one. Your BPS [Bible Positioning System] needs re-calibrated.
Bronconagurski
New Member
All means all, and that's all "all" means.
Is that you, Dr. Towns? He used to say that in his lectures.
DrJamesAch
New Member
Elmer? Nah. That was made popular I believe by Norman Geisler in his response to James White on "Why I Am Not A 5 Point Calvinist".All means all, and that's all "all" means.
Is that you, Dr. Towns? He used to say that in his lectures.
In most of the posts here on BB that have anything to do with the Cal vs. "Free Will" positions, invariably you'll find references to verses/passages that use the word "all" in them.
I'd like to know what exactly the word "all" means in these references.
Does "all" mean "all without any exception"?
Does it mean "all without any distinction"?
Can "all" mean different things in different verses?
In human language PERIOD it rarely EVER means "every single one on earth."
Almost NEVER.
There are good Arminian arguments against Calvinism out there.
But one of the DUMBEST arguments out there is that "all" must mean "every single person on earth."
I'm sorry, but no intelligent person who has given that assertion 5 seconds worth of thought would make that argument.
Unless your context CLEARLY establishes that it means "every single one" then your default definition of "all" should be something like "many over a vast expanse".
So if you are against Calvinism because of the word "all" used a few times in Scripture, you need to go get an education before you speak on the subject again.
He loved the AGE??? You've GOT to be joking? If "God so loved the AGE" then that means nobody after whatever random age you think He meant expires is ever getting saved.
ON the other hand, since Jesus said "I am with you to the end of the world" where aion was used, then we can just bootstrap that meaning on to John 3:16 and then it still has the same intended meaning. But of course, I'd rather not tamper with the Bible like that. You can knock yourself out!
...He loved the AGE. That's gonna bring some chuckles for a while.
In human language "all" rarely EVER means "every single one on earth."
Almost NEVER.
There are good Arminian arguments against Calvinism out there.
But one of the DUMBEST arguments out there is that "all" must mean "every single person on earth."
I'm sorry, but no intelligent person who has given that assertion 5 seconds worth of thought would make that argument.
Unless your context CLEARLY establishes that it means "every single one" then your default definition of "all" should be something like "many over a vast expanse".
So if you are against Calvinism because of the word "all" used a few times in Scripture, you need to go get an education before you speak on the subject again.
Tom Butler
New Member
Let me follow up on Luke's post with some specific examples:
II Peter 3:9
Peter is writing to believers.
Peter is writing about the Lord's relationship with believers..
To whom is the Lord not slack concerning his promise? To the ones to whom he is longsuffering.
To whom is he longsuffering. Us-ward. Believers.
How many believers will spiritually perish.? None
How many of those believers will come to repentance? All
II Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Peter is writing to believers.
Peter is writing about the Lord's relationship with believers..
To whom is the Lord not slack concerning his promise? To the ones to whom he is longsuffering.
To whom is he longsuffering. Us-ward. Believers.
How many believers will spiritually perish.? None
How many of those believers will come to repentance? All
psalms109:31
Active Member
Paul tells Timothy that believers need to make peace with everyone kings worldly man. To love our enemies as to say.
Why, because God wants all men to be saved meaning all men that Spurgeon in the quote i gave said.
It is sending believers out to preach the truth the same truth as in Ezekiel God doesn't want the death of anyone, but rather them to repent and live
Come to the knowledge of the truth, there is your limitation.
If they don't come to the knowledge of the truth they will not be saved.
God will never lose, those who trust, believe in His Son will be saved. You should not doubt that
Paul was not lying, I am not lying.
Why, because God wants all men to be saved meaning all men that Spurgeon in the quote i gave said.
It is sending believers out to preach the truth the same truth as in Ezekiel God doesn't want the death of anyone, but rather them to repent and live
Come to the knowledge of the truth, there is your limitation.
If they don't come to the knowledge of the truth they will not be saved.
God will never lose, those who trust, believe in His Son will be saved. You should not doubt that
Paul was not lying, I am not lying.