What does believe mean?

[Lacy Evans]

"Mr. Govett wrote a hundred years before his time, and the day will come when his works will be treasured as sifted gold."

Charles H. Spurgeon

 

[FERRON BRIMSTONE]

Spurgeon, from his sermon, "Secret Sins"

A 'mere profession' is but painted pageantry to go to hell in.
It is like the plumes upon the hearse, or the trappings
upon the black horses which drag men to their graves,
the funeral array of dead souls.

To be out of Christ is a dreadful thing.
To be dead in sin is a fearful thing.
Death is a solemn thing.
Damnation is a horrible thing.


Spurgeon, "Kept From Iniquity"

Some professing Christians are so like worldlings that,
if you put them under a microscope,
you could not tell the difference between them!

If you can do what worldlings do,
you shall go at last where worldlings go!

If grace does not make you to differ from them,
it is not the grace of God-- it is all a sham.



Your all?
by Spurgeon--

Religion is not to be stowed away
in the dark garret of the brain.

Christianity is a heart religion, and if you cannot say,
from the very depths of your being, "Christ is all,"
you have neither part nor lot in the blessings and privileges
of the gospel, and your end will be destruction,
everlasting banishment from the presence of the Lord.

 

[Lacy Evans]

“We only express our heart when we say that we venerate and admire this author and preacher, (Robert Govett) whose works will be more appreciated by future generations than by this frivolous age.”

-Lacy

 

[FERRON BRIMSTONE]

Lacy, do you have any Scripture for this 1000 yr thing?

 

[Jeep Dragon]

"Mr. Govett wrote a hundred years before his time, and the day will come when his works will be treasured as sifted gold."

Charles H. Spurgeon

Just be careful not to focus too much on a man's works or interpretations of the Bible.

I have not read his works or have even heard of the person apart from these posts (which is my own ignorance) but from studying the Bible I have learned several things:

1. Many people believe many different things out of their own convictions.
2. The Bible is very generic in many passages and has been written from many points of view from different people.
3. Many points of view can be determined by reading certain passages of scripture, then defining a mental filter for the context of the rest of the Bible.
4. The Bible may, in fact, have passages that seem to support a certain view, but, be careful everyone, when developing a specific point of view, for it can blind you from other points of view expressed within the same Bible.

Does anyting I said make any sense?

 

[FERRON BRIMSTONE]

"Mr. Govett wrote a hundred years before his time, and the day will come when his works will be treasured as sifted gold."

Charles H. Spurgeon

Lacy, where did you find this quote?

 

[thjplgvp]

Prophecy.As well as being Endtime related, this website also features articles from Watchman Nee, Robert Govett and Jessie Penn-Lewis. While there are doctrinal differences, we believe Mr. Nee to have been a most faithful servant of the LORD, even during his many difficult afflictions.

"Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all" (Psalm 34:19).
​

And concerning Mr. Govett, Mr. Spurgeon remarks,

"Mr. Govett wrote a hundred years before his time, and the day will come when his works will be treasured as sifted gold." -- Charles H. Spurgeon.
​

(Of interest, by Mr. Govett: UNWATCHFUL BELIEVERS OF THE CHURCH will be LEFT IN THE GREAT TRIBULATION ---New Window)

Quotes from the website:
"The 'last days' is a Hebrew expression meaning the period of the end of the law. The dispensation of the law ended with Christ's death, resurrection and ascension. So for almost 2000 years we are living in the 'last days.' Today however, we live at the very end of the last days. It is almost midnight. The time is coming for the parousia to take place (parousia = the coming, or more correctly, the presence) of Christ). This parousia, or presence of Christ, starts with the rapture of the overcomers in the Church. They are raptured directly to the Throne of God (Rev. 12:5). This is the sign that the process of parousia has begun...

I would like to say right away though, that God is not interested in prophecy, in coming events, He knows already what is coming. He is only interested in His Son, and when certain events are connected to His Son and the testimony of His Son, He is interested in those events. Revelation 19:10 says: 'for the testimony of Jesus, is the spirit of prophecy.' The coming events serve no other purpose but to glorify Jesus Christ before the Father, and before His enemies. So whatever you read on this site, keep in mind that we should not focus on the things that Satan does on this earth (although we should not be entirely ignorant of those things), but on Jesus Christ and His place in Gods Eternal Purpose. May God bless each and every reader." --Ed


http://www.whatsaiththescripture.com/Links.html

I do not have the time to read about this man but it would seem he has some eschatological differences with most if not all of us.

thjplgvp

 

[thjplgvp]

Lacy,

It would seem that you believe in two raptures. The pre-trib where all that are obedient and holy will will be caught up and a second pre-wrath for those who get saved in the tribulation period.

From this you get your 1000 years in hell because if one is saved but not obedient and not holy he must be purified by fire and is therefore cast into the lake of fire for 1000 years (to make him holy) while the promise of the milliniel kingdom is being fullfilled on this condemned earth. (judgment of the nations)

Also Lacy do you claim Dumitru Duduman as a modern prophet? How about Harley Hickling, Jeannette L Vetter or Bryan Hupperts have they recived modern day revelations from God?

Thjplgvp

 

[thjplgvp]

Robert Govett,

"He seems to have been one of the first, if not the first, to present a clear view of the judgment seat of Christ and its purpose in relation to the millennial kingdom. Thus, it is a point of emphasis throughout most of his writings. Through Scripture, he clearly delineates between eternal life, the free gift that God gives to those who accept the payment His Son made, and the prize, the reward of the millennial reign, which one can attain to by producing the good works or fruits that emanate from a walk of faith. The latter of the two is held out to all the saints by the Almighty, but it is only given to those who have submitted to the work of the Holy Spirit toward personal sanctification."

http://www.schoettlepublishing.com/biographies/rgovett.htm

thjplgvp​

 

[Lacy Evans]

Lacy,
Also Lacy do you claim Dumitru Duduman as a modern prophet? How about Harley Hickling, Jeannette L Vetter or Bryan Hupperts have they recived modern day revelations from God?

Thjplgvp

I honestly have no idea who any of those people are. Are they on the website you cited? I tend to be very skeptical of any "modern day prophets".


Govett, Lang, Pember, Roadhouse, etc are considered by most to be fundamentally sound. I don't consider any of them to be modern prophets though. I'm not even sure there is such a thing. (We'd have to agree to a strict New testament definition before we could discuss it.)

lacy

 

[Lacy Evans]

Lacy,

It would seem that you believe in two raptures. The pre-trib where all that are obedient and holy will will be caught up and a second pre-wrath for those who get saved in the tribulation period.

I do believe in one Rapture or several depending upon how you look at it. I believe the "rapture" event is like a harvest (Matt 13:39) Christ was the unleavened firstfruits. I believe God removes obedient Christians who are still alive before the start of the Trib (Luke 21:36). (Firstfruits with leaven.) I also believe several Martyred saints will be resurrected during the trib. I am also pretty certain that there will be a mid-week Rapture of saints who have stood faithful (and been ripened) duriing the Trib. I put the general ressurrection (of the saints) at the end of the trib after the last trump sounds. (general harvest) The gleanings, I'm not sure about yet. , perhaps Kingdom babies.

From this you get your 1000 years in hell because if one is saved but not obedient and not holy he must be purified by fire and is therefore cast into the lake of fire for 1000 years (to make him holy) while the promise of the milliniel kingdom is being fullfilled on this condemned earth. (judgment of the nations)

Not the LOF!!! Hell. It's definately two different places (see Rev 20:14) Only unbelievers are cast into the LOF, and that not until the Great White Throne judgment after the 1000 year Kingdom.

Lacy

 

[Lacy Evans]

Just be careful not to focus too much on a man's works or interpretations of the Bible.

I have not read his works or have even heard of the person apart from these posts (which is my own ignorance) but from studying the Bible I have learned several things:

1. Many people believe many different things out of their own convictions.
2. The Bible is very generic in many passages and has been written from many points of view from different people.
3. Many points of view can be determined by reading certain passages of scripture, then defining a mental filter for the context of the rest of the Bible.
4. The Bible may, in fact, have passages that seem to support a certain view, but, be careful everyone, when developing a specific point of view, for it can blind you from other points of view expressed within the same Bible.

Does anyting I said make any sense?

I absolutely agree with all of that. It is sound Biblical counsel.

Lacy

 

[EdSutton]

Robert Govett,

"He seems to have been one of the first, if not the first, to present a clear view of the judgment seat of Christ and its purpose in relation to the millennial kingdom. Thus, it is a point of emphasis throughout most of his writings. Through Scripture, he clearly delineates between eternal life, the free gift that God gives to those who accept the payment His Son made, and the prize, the reward of the millennial reign, which one can attain to by producing the good works or fruits that emanate from a walk of faith. The latter of the two is held out to all the saints by the Almighty, but it is only given to those who have submitted to the work of the Holy Spirit toward personal sanctification."

http://www.schoettlepublishing.com/biographies/rgovett.htm

thjplgvp​

Strange! I though Paul was the first to speak of, and give a 'clear view' of the 'bema' in Scripture.

Ed

 

[Lacy Evans]

Strange! I though Paul was the first to speak of, and give a 'clear view' of the 'bema' in Scripture.

Ed

AMEN!!!
. . ."and its purpose in relation to the millennial kingdom."

lacy

 

[Hope of Glory]

I do believe in one Rapture or several depending upon how you look at it. I believe the "rapture" event is like a harvest (Matt 13:39) Christ was the unleavened firstfruits. I believe God removes obedient Christians who are still alive before the start of the Trib (Luke 21:36). (Firstfruits with leaven.) I also believe several Martyred saints will be resurrected during the trib. I am also pretty certain that there will be a mid-week Rapture of saints who have stood faithful (and been ripened) duriing the Trib. I put the general ressurrection (of the saints) at the end of the trib after the last trump sounds. (general harvest) The gleanings, I'm not sure about yet. , perhaps Kingdom babies.

That's part of what plays into the interpretation of the parable of the tares. It's one harvest, but different events are involved.

 

[Lacy Evans]

"Mr. Govett wrote a hundred years before his time, and the day will come when his works will be treasured as sifted gold."

Charles H. Spurgeon

The Sword and The Trowel London: (Passmore & Alabaster, 1883), p512

 

[Lacy Evans]

“We only express our heart when we say that we venerate and admire this author and preacher, [Robert Govett] whose works will be more appreciated by future generations than by this frivolous age.”

-Lacy

Charles Spurgeon, The Sword and The Trowel (1881), p480.

 

[Lacy Evans]

Lacy, where did you find this quote?

Hope that helps.

Lacy

 

[FERRON BRIMSTONE]

Lacy, I have not been able to find a copy of the magazine collection that you mentioned. But If you read the sermon excerpts I posted, It is obvious that Spurgeon would not support any explanation of Salvation without Lordship.

 

[Lacy Evans]

http://www.chspurgeon.com/Products/sword.html

(if you have an extra c-note on ya.)

ps buy one for me too:thumbs:

Lacy