What Does It mean To be "In Adam?"

[JesusFan]

Know that the Bible teaches that we as Christians are found now to be 'In Christ" and have forgiveness of our sins, and a new nature within, as the Holy spirit now indwells us...

What does it mean though to be in Adam as before the Lord?

 

[Amy.G]

It means you are under the same penalty for sin as Adam...death.

To be in Christ means you are going to receive the inheritance of Christ....eternal life.

 

[percho]

Was Jesus in Adam?

 

[Van]

Another great question!!

What does it mean to be "in Adam?"

(1) Adam was created by God, so we too, are "children of God" in a physical sense. Luke 3:38.

(2) Romans 5:14 suggests that being "in Adam" presents a type of Christ, of being "in Christ."

(3) 1 Corinthians 15:22 indicates that "in Adam" all die. I think this means Adam is separated from God, i.e. tossed out of the garden, and this separation caused by his volitional sin, had the consequence of everyone, the "many" being conceived in iniquity, in a separated from God sinful state. Everyone "in Adam" is spiritually dead.

When we are "saved" we are transferred out of "Adam" and into "Christ" i.e. out of the realm of darkness into the kingdom of God. In summary, being "in Adam" is to be unsaved, and to be "in Christ" is to be saved.

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[JesusFan]

Was Jesus in Adam?

Nope, he is the second Adam, born with pure sinless nature as Adam was originally created with
Being natures God/man, born NOT tainted/corrputed by the fall, that allows him to qualify to be the saviour...

 

[revmwc]

Was Jesus in Adam?

As Paul makes clear we are in Adam by inheritence as our father. But who was Jesus father, it was God, the woman was in transgression because she was decieved, Adam sinned and therefore passes on the nature to sin and makes all born to him as children in him. Christ was not in him becasue the mother doesn't pass down the inheritence the Father does.

 

[percho]

As Paul makes clear we are in Adam by inheritence as our father. But who was Jesus father, it was God, the woman was in transgression because she was decieved, Adam sinned and therefore passes on the nature to sin and makes all born to him as children in him. Christ was not in him becasue the mother doesn't pass down the inheritence the Father does.

I believe also that Jesus was without sin, Yet it also says that the first man Adam was the figure of him to come. Did not Jesus have to be in Adam for death to reign over him?

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
For as in Adam all die, (Did this not include Jesus, being in the likeness of sinful flesh yet without sin?)
What is man, (Adam) Thou madest him a little lower than the angels;
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death,

From Young's Literal Translation
Seeing, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, he himself also in like manner did take part of the same, that through death he might destroy him having the power of death -- that is, the devil -- and might deliver those, whoever, with fear of death, throughout all their life, were subjects of bondage, for, doubtless, of messengers it doth not lay hold, but of seed of Abraham it layeth hold,

This is saying man was made flesh and blood so he could die. Angels can't die. Adam brought death upon all men even if their transgressions were not counted against them. This would include Jesus. Babies die and go to the realm of the dead because of the sin of Adam. To enter into, see or inherit the kingdom of God they would need to be born again. Do you believe God can birth them again? Or do you believe because they were to young to understand and could not birth themselves again before they died they are lost forever. Is it we who walk down the aisle, we who say the prayer, we who accept Jesus as our Lord? Is it we who birth ourselves again? Methinks some think so.

When his disciples heard [it], they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

 

[revmwc]

I believe also that Jesus was without sin, Yet it also says that the first man Adam was the figure of him to come. Did not Jesus have to be in Adam for death to reign over him?

Adam was created without sin and without the nature to sin wasn't he, but Eve came and he chose to sin. Could he have said no to sin like Christ did certainly. No he didn't have to be in Adam for death to reign over him, He ekpnuemed and didn't enpnuma again. In other words Christ breathedd out and didn't breath back in after He said Father into your hands I commend my spirit and HE gave up the ghost. He chose to give up the ghost.
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Death reigned physical death reigned before the Law of Moses came.
For as in Adam all die, (Did this not include Jesus, being in the likeness of sinful flesh yet without sin?)

Christ wasn't in Adam since Adam was not his father the one in which Christ would receive the ineritence from.

What is man, (Adam) Thou madest him a little lower than the angels;
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death,

Again Christ came through the woman not the man.

From Young's Literal Translation
Seeing, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, he himself also in like manner did take part of the same, that through death he might destroy him having the power of death -- that is, the devil -- and might deliver those, whoever, with fear of death, throughout all their life, were subjects of bondage, for, doubtless, of messengers it doth not lay hold, but of seed of Abraham it layeth hold,

His life on the human side came through Eve so He was flesh and blood. But He was able to destroy death.

This is saying man was made flesh and blood so he could die. Angels can't die. Adam brought death upon all men even if their transgressions were not counted against them. This would include Jesus. Babies die and go to the realm of the dead because of the sin of Adam. To enter into, see or inherit the kingdom of God they would need to be born again. Do you believe God can birth them again? Or do you believe because they were to young to understand and could not birth themselves again before they died they are lost forever. Is it we who walk down the aisle, we who say the prayer, we who accept Jesus as our Lord? Is it we who birth ourselves again? Methinks some think so.

When his disciples heard [it], they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

With His father being God He inherited the Spiritual life from Him and the things of His father.

 

[webdog]

Nope, he is the second Adam, born with pure sinless nature as Adam was originally created with
Being natures God/man, born NOT tainted/corrputed by the fall, that allows him to qualify to be the saviour...

The thing is, though, that Adam would not have died, but Christ was under the curse of sin and did die physically.

 

[percho]

With His father being God He inherited the Spiritual life from Him and the things of His father.

I will only ask one question. Was Jesus the Christ the seed of Abraham?

 

[DHK]

The thing is, though, that Adam would not have died, but Christ was under the curse of sin and did die physically.

Too much speculation here.
"Adam would not have died"???
Adam would have lived eternally, perhaps--only if he had partaken of the fruit of the tree of life. There is nothing in the account that says for sure that they would have eaten of that fruit and lived forever. We can't read back into history and conjecture that which could have been.

 

[percho]

There was a reason the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world.

Death was coming my friends and hell rode with him.

 

[Calv1]

The thing is, though, that Adam would not have died, but Christ was under the curse of sin and did die physically.

Webdog, why don't you study before you speak? You are misleading your brothers. You may not care, but God does. Why not study, and learn what He is teaching you before spouting off in this dogmatic way?

EVERY WORD OF GOD'S IS INFINTELY OR IMMENSELY IMPORTANT!!!!

Christ was not under the curse of sin, this is the entire doctrine of the virgin birth. Why do YOU say that the Holy Spirit had to concieve a child? Why is it that Christ(The creator of the universe), had to "Learn obedience"?

Why don't you study, take years to learn these things before opening your [ offensive language edited ]? Even the Scribles KNEW these things even if they couldn't relate, you don't seem to understand or relate.

 

[Andy T.]

Calv1, please take your smart-aleck comments elsewhere. Do you really need to use terms like "pie hole"?

 

[Andy T.]

The thing is, though, that Adam would not have died, but Christ was under the curse of sin and did die physically.

Christ died physically because he laid down his life of his own accord. Had he not done that, who's to say he was subject to the same curse Adam was? It's all moot anyways - because his whole purpose was to come and die, and to voluntarily take on Adam's curse on our behalf.

 

[Aaron]

Know that the Bible teaches that we as Christians are found now to be 'In Christ" and have forgiveness of our sins, and a new nature within, as the Holy spirit now indwells us...

What does it mean though to be in Adam as before the Lord?

It means that we were in Adam when he sinned and are made partakers of the guilt and penalty.

The concept is further described in Hebrews 7 where it is said that Levi paid tithes to Melchisedek "in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him."

To be "in Christ," is the same thing, but in a spiritual sense. In Christ we have satisfied the righteous requirements of the law, and in Christ we have also satisfied its justice. In Christ we have been resurrected from the dead and are seated at the right hand of the Father.

 

[convicted1]

It means you are under the same penalty for sin as Adam...death.

To be in Christ means you are going to receive the inheritance of Christ....eternal life.

Amen!! :thumbs:

 

[convicted1]

Too much speculation here.
"Adam would not have died"???
Adam would have lived eternally, perhaps--only if he had partaken of the fruit of the tree of life. There is nothing in the account that says for sure that they would have eaten of that fruit and lived forever. We can't read back into history and conjecture that which could have been.

I know this wasn't directed at me, but please let me say this. I don't know about this you posted, Brother. What is the penalty for sin? Death. So if Adam had not sinned, then how could he have died?? Just sayin'......

 

[Aaron]

Anyone who would argue that Christ was in Adam and had a sin nature knows nothing.

Adam was created, the Son is begotten. Adam was carnal, though good and innocent, the Son is Spirit and incorruptible. The Son created Adam.

The Virgin Birth, miraculous and wonderful as it was, was a sign only, and had nothing whatever to do with Christ's sinless and incorruptible nature. He has been eternally sinless and incorruptible. We get our life as much, if not more so, from the woman as from the man. If sin were something that could be passed in the dust that is our bodies, Christ would certainly have been polluted by Mary.

Sin is not a thing. It is the lack of something. It is a falling short, a missing of the mark. It is best to be thought of as a corruption where something is lost than as a pollution where something is added.

 

[psalms109:31]

Enmity

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”

Jesus is born the way He is because of the plan of God. That He had the flesh as it was before the fall. That the lamb will be in the heavenly place and we will see and feel the affliction, the scars that He suffered for our sake. To be in Adam is to be in the sinful nature, and Jesus is the only salvation, who can save me from this body of death praise be to Jesus

2 Corinthians 11
Paul and the False Apostles
1 I hope you will put up with me in a little foolishness. Yes, please put up with me! 2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. 3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

5 I do not think I am in the least inferior to those “super-apostles.”[Or to the most eminent apostles] 6 I may indeed be untrained as a speaker, but I do have knowledge. We have made this perfectly clear to you in every way. 7 Was it a sin for me to lower myself in order to elevate you by preaching the gospel of God to you free of charge? 8 I robbed other churches by receiving support from them so as to serve you. 9 And when I was with you and needed something, I was not a burden to anyone, for the brothers who came from Macedonia supplied what I needed. I have kept myself from being a burden to you in any way, and will continue to do so. 10 As surely as the truth of Christ is in me, nobody in the regions of Achaia will stop this boasting of mine. 11 Why? Because I do not love you? God knows I do!

12 And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. 13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.