What does MacArthur think of non Reformed?

[Luke2427]

Now I am in no way a "charismatic", but there certainly is nothing wrong with "feelings" if they are accompanied by intellect and wisdom. God did in fact create us with "feelings" and one can only assume that they serve some purpose.

I would agree but I would change one word- I'd change "accompanied" to "guided."

The mind ought to tell the heart how to feel; the heart should not tell the mind how to think.

Facts and truths are stubborn things. Emotions do not discern them- the mind does.

 

[Benjamin]

Sadly Calvinism is used as a pejorative today and of course he believed some stuff I don't. That is why I use Doctrines of Grace; bothers the "freewill" brethren a little also!

Doesn't bother me what Neo-Doctrine of Pre-selected Gracers call themselves.

 

[evangelist6589]

I don't know how many times he's been on there. I do know there is a danger in continuing to endorse a person or merely overlook things because we've grown fond of them. I believe he should recant his support of TBN, and he does support what they are doing. Here is some more information.

Hearsay? I was evidence from Turning Point directly. In fact I may call Shadow Mountain and ask about this.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I am a political conservative and have read a lot about neo-conservatives [Still don't know what one is!] but neo-Calvinists is a new one on me! Of course I am a Doctrine of Grace person myself having never read anything by Calvin!

And that is a mistake my dear brother in Christ that you need to correct. Try reading the Golden Books 1st then graduate to the Institutes. I say this in all love for you as I esteem you as a man with a well developed mind. By NOT studying Calvin you rob yourself of a very rich source of spiritual quality. Even if you do not agree with him you at least can say you understand his position.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I agree with both of you.

I think the bigger problem of the two in this age, though, is the charismatic movement. And I include in that heading all Pentecostals, Baptiscostals, Church of God, Assemblies of God, etc... not just those who are health, wealth, TBN types.

It encourages men to be guided by the worst, most fickle, most easily deceived part of us and attributes it to the Holy Spirit.

I addressed easy believism in a bible study with Methodists on Saturday @ a UMC. These folks do not believe that being born again is a prerequisite to salvation thus it becomes a works based system (very similar to the RCC's). Therefore my brothers, while we view the Charismatics as apostate, think about including the main line churches to your list for evangelization.

 

[Rippon]

And that is a mistake my dear brother in Christ that you need to correct. Try reading the Golden Books 1st then graduate to the Institutes. I say this in all love for you as I esteem you as a man with a well developed mind. By NOT studying Calvin you rob yourself of a very rich source of spiritual quality. Even if you do not agree with him you at least can say you understand his position.

I am Rippon and I approve of the foregoing.

 

[webdog]

He probably feels sorrow for any truly regenerate person who ISN'T reformed in soteriology.

I know I do.
:saint:

What is to feel sorry for if we were predestined to be such? You should be rejoicing God chose us to believe it.

 

[Reformed]

John MacArthur is not Reformed. He is a Calvinist but he is not Reformed.

 

[Jerome]

Specifically, he's affiliated with the nondenominational 'Independent Fundamental Churches of America'.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

John MacArthur is not Reformed. He is a Calvinist but he is not Reformed.

You define Reformed then by what......Covenant Theology & DoG?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Who cares ...

... what John MacArthur, Charles Stanley, Chuck Swindoll, Tony Evans, David Jeremiah, or anyone you care to name thinks about non-Reformed, Muslims, Charismatics, chocolate, pink polka-dot quilts, or any other number of topics that regularly come up on similarly titled threads around here?

These are M-E-N, no one special, no one of great significance, other than all are good teachers -- though I'm not a big Mac fan. I don't take my lead to have an opinion from any M-A-N. I take my opinions from God's word, and what He reveals to me about it. That's all Mac, Stanley, Swindoll, Evans, Jeremiah, etc., do as well. They just have radio shows and television shows that allows them to express those opinions on a wider basis that I can.

I listen to them, I consider them, many times I applaud them. But let them be my guide? No. Jesus is my guide. It is His opinion I value. I consider the rest, but if they don't line up, I reject them.

Me? I could care less about Reformed, non-Reformed, Catholic, Charismatic, IFB, etc. I'm a Christian. I happen to belong to an SBC church because it teaches what I consider to be the word of God. If it changed pastors and doctrine, I'd be out of there in a heartbeat. I've done it before. I pray I don't have to do it again.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

What is to feel sorry for if we were predestined to be such? You should be rejoicing God chose us to believe it.

In all honesty.....I do! I was very sinful in driving Tom Bryant crazy in my religious pronouncements & I did apologize to him specifically...... he just had enough of the pigeonholing activities that serve to divide us for which I was wrong-minded & I recant.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

[SIZE= 4]Who cares...[/Size]

... what John MacArthur, Charles Stanley, Chuck Swindoll, Tony Evans, David Jeremiah, or anyone you care to name thinks about non-Reformed, Muslims, Charismatics, chocolate, pink polka-dot quilts, or any other number of topics that regularly come up on similarly titled threads around here?

These are M-E-N, no one special, no one of great significance, other than all are good teachers -- though I'm not a big Mac fan. I don't take my lead to have an opinion from any M-A-N. I take my opinions from God's word, and what He reveals to me about it. That's all Mac, Stanley, Swindoll, Evans, Jeremiah, etc., do as well. They just have radio shows and television shows that allows them to express those opinions on a wider basis that I can.

I listen to them, I consider them, many times I applaud them. But let them be my guide? No. Jesus is my guide. It is His opinion I value. I consider the rest, but if they don't line up, I reject them.

Me? I could care less about Reformed, non-Reformed, Catholic, Charismatic, IFB, etc. I'm a Christian. I happen to belong to an SBC church because it teaches what I consider to be the word of God. If it changed pastors and doctrine, I'd be out of there in a heartbeat. I've done it before. I pray I don't have to do it again.

AMEN :applause:

 

[Reformed]

You define Reformed then by what......Covenant Theology & DoG?

From a Baptist perspective I define "Reformed" as belief and practice consistent with confessionalism, covenantalism, and the doctrines of grace. John MacArthur believes in the latter only.

 

[Thousand Hills]

I'm not a big Mac fan

I'll eat one every now and then, had one yesterday. Wonder if these are any good?

http://www.businessweek.com/article...big-mac-clone-becomes-even-more-of-a-knockoff

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

... I'm not a big Mac fan..

I'll eat one every now and then, had one yesterday.

Wow. Didn't even think about what I was typing there. But whether you take it in its context, or this out-of-context appearance, both are accurate.

:thumbsup:

Wonder if these are any good?

http://www.businessweek.com/article...big-mac-clone-becomes-even-more-of-a-knockoff

Don't know, and never will. I'm not a fast food consumer, unless you're talkin' Back Yard Burger.

Back Yard Burgers website

Now that's a burger! Or several great ones, actually.

 

[Thousand Hills]

Don't know, and never will. I'm not a fast food consumer, unless you're talkin' Back Yard Burger.

Back Yard Burgers website

Now that's a burger! Or several great ones, actually.

Ate there once a long time ago, used to be three in our area, they all went belly up (pun intended) only a year or so after opening. I'm currently partial to the "Flamethrower" Burger from Dairy Queen.

 

[InTheLight]

Who cares ...

... what John MacArthur, Charles Stanley, Chuck Swindoll, Tony Evans, David Jeremiah, or anyone you care to name thinks about non-Reformed, Muslims, Charismatics, chocolate, pink polka-dot quilts, or any other number of topics that regularly come up on similarly titled threads around here?

These are M-E-N, no one special, no one of great significance, other than all are good teachers -- though I'm not a big Mac fan. I don't take my lead to have an opinion from any M-A-N. I take my opinions from God's word, and what He reveals to me about it. That's all Mac, Stanley, Swindoll, Evans, Jeremiah, etc., do as well. They just have radio shows and television shows that allows them to express those opinions on a wider basis that I can.

I listen to them, I consider them, many times I applaud them. But let them be my guide? No. Jesus is my guide. It is His opinion I value. I consider the rest, but if they don't line up, I reject them.

Me? I could care less about Reformed, non-Reformed, Catholic, Charismatic, IFB, etc. I'm a Christian. I happen to belong to an SBC church because it teaches what I consider to be the word of God. If it changed pastors and doctrine, I'd be out of there in a heartbeat. I've done it before. I pray I don't have to do it again.

NAILED IT!!

 

[Yeshua1]

Mac does a great job at exposing the false teachers, exposing the charismatic and such. His books The Truth War, Charismatic Chaos STRANGE FIRE, the Jesus You Cant Ignore, and others do just this. But I have to wonder what MacArthur thinks of non Reformed? At the Strange Fire conference Mac said some things to indicate that only Reformed are the guardians of the truth, and some comments against non Reformed were made in a derogatory fashion. But I just have to wonder what does Mac think about the non Reformed that are Biblical and true to the gospel? Some of these are:

David Jeremiah
David Hawkings
Charles Stanley
Erwin Lutzer
Woodrow Crow
Randy Alcorn

Are these men not the Guardians of the truth? Why is it that only Reformed can be the guardians of the truth?

Dr John would not fit the label of Reformed, as He is like me, a calvinist whose teachings also sprinkled with Dispy theology!

Would probably view them as I would, as basically sound teachers/pastors, who have some areas of theology disagree with!