Yes, that is on of the main sites the God used to wake me up to Covenant theology!
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What does Reformed really mean?
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1689Dave
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They killed lots of Christians and still affirm the only true churches properly administer the sacraments. (Infant Baptism).
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1689Dave
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I believe they would still be at it, had America not protected Christians from "the church".
They do not see themselves as being the only true church, but that they are administarting the ordiances more biblically!
Mikey
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what are you basing this on?
1689Dave
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The only reason they stopped was because of separation of church and state laws. Do you have any evidence they ever repented out of the goodness of their hearts. How about Reformed "Dominion Theology"?
You are entitled to believe whatever you like. I will only point out that 1688 is almost 100 years before the USA came into existence.
Mikey
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stopped what? repented of what?
Britain doesn't have separation of Church and state, we have the Church of England.
1689Dave
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Also with a fair amount of bloodshed to their credit.
1689Dave
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That's OK. What about Reformed Dominion Theology today> Reconstructionism? Theonomy????You are entitled to believe whatever you like. I will only point out that 1688 is almost 100 years before the USA came into existence.
What about them? They are fringe groups on the outer edges of Nutcasetown. They don't represent Reformed Theology and absolutely not Reformed Baptist Theology.
1689Dave
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Did the Reformed have a change in heart? Or did they have another reason to stop the bloodshed?
Mikey
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it's called history. religious freedom didn't just pop out of thin air, it was a process.
1689Dave
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I do not see any documented change in the Reformed Churches. Their policy would be the same if secular governments didn't step in.
You will have to go onto a Presbyterian or Episcopalian website and ask them. This is a Baptist website and Reformed Baptists have never persecuted anyone.
1689Dave
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I'm not suggesting the Reformed Baptists are cut from the same cloth as the Reformed Churches. We share similar theological beliefs in sin and grace, but never became part of them or under their control.
Depends what is included in"persecuted" ........
We had a mixed ethnicity church of 30, singing English & Indian hymns, & needing translation at every service. Around 50 would attend for special meetings. We had 6 baptisms in our final year. We were meeting in a Brethren owned Gospel Hall, which we'd used for 20 years. The trustees decided to sell it, & were pleased that a Grace Baptist group wanted to buy. We knew members of the group & some had worshipped with us, & preached for us. Our Pastor & a missionary working with us had retired moved away. I was 70.
The leader of the group was an American who wanted to set up a church plant. We met with him, & expressed our willingness to continue under his leadership as a Grace Baptist Church.
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He wanted a church plant, so did not want ANY of existing church folk to continue. We held our final meeting, our 148th church anniversary with a packed church. We continued to meet in homes, but folk went to various local churches.
I tried to join them when they were distributing introductory leaflets. I "wasn't needed." I asked to attend their prayer meeting & was discouraged.
There was relative peace between RC & Lutherans after the "Peace of Augsburg" in 1555. Then all Europe was at war - the 30-years War after the 1618 "defenestration" incident, until the "Peace of Westphalia" in 1648. Perhaps the Anabaptists &other independent groups were allowed relative peace, not being a military enemy.
But not in England, nor other parts of the British Isles. After the English civil war the monarchy was restored in 1660. Soon 2000 Presbyterian & Independent ministers were expelled from their pulpits, & various legislation put them into prison. Until 1689, when the RC King James 2 fled the country, & the "Toleration Act" allowed some religious liberty, hence the 1689 Baptist Confession. Soon after, James tried to get back, occasioning a vicious war in Ireland that still has repercussions today, & his son Charles (bonnie pPrince Charley) tried again via Scotland in 1745 - which occasioned the "highland clearances."
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You lot over there have benefited from "religious dissidents" emigrating or being transported .
A SIMPLE MINDED BAPTIST
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I've had a slight clue to what this means (see below), but upon looking for anything here about Vos, a person replied in a thread that he wasn't Reformed. So that had me thinking what exactly does the term Reformed mean? How can Baptists or anything else (Evangelical?) not agree with the past Puritans?
I've held the term Reformed to mean "going along" or "agreeing with" past Christian men like Luther, Calvin, Owen, Bunyan, Spurgeon (?) and others along that line. When I say agreeing I mean reading them and saying something like, "Wow, so nice to read someone put a truth like that down." You know the truths from reading God's Word, but when someone really nails a nice thing down, you can't help but get stirred up!
But then when another person of a like denomination (say Baptist) says they're not Reformed, does that mean they don't like the theological persuasions of the people listed above? Or is there something deeper than that? How can a Baptist or Evangelical or something similar not enjoy those listed?
Any help would be great!
A SIMPLE MINDED BAPTIST
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A SIMPLE MINDED BAPTIST
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I SAT UNDER THE TEACHING OF A REFORMED PREACHER WHEN I CAME TO A CONFUSING POINT. I WAS TOLD JN. 3:16 DID NOT MEAN WHOSOEVER BELIEVED WOULD BE SAVED UNLESS GOD GAVE HIM FIRST FAITH AND ELECTION BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH. IMMEDIATELY I THOUGHT THAT MEANS WHOSOEVER GOD DID NOT GIVE THOSE THINGS WAS DOOMED TO ETERNAL PUNISHMENT, FOR WHAT? BECAUSE DID NOT GRANT THEM FAITH OR ELECTION. I CAN NOT BELIEVE GOD CHOOSES WHO'S GOING TO GO UP AND DOWN IRREGUARDLES OF TRUST, BELIEF, CONFESSING, CALLING, REPENTANCE OR ANY OTHER THING.
Acts 2:21
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. ACCORDING TO REFORMED FAITH THIS SCRIPYURE WAS TRANSLATED WRONG. IT SHOULD HAVE SAID "WHOSOEVER IS ELECT AND GIVEN THE FAITH TO BELIEVE WILL THEN BE GIVEN THE ABILITY TO CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD AND BE SAVED" EVERY SCRIPTURE THAT ASKS A NON-BELIEVER TO BELIEVE OF HAVE FAITH, TO CALL ON THE LORD, TRUST HIM, CONFESS TO HIM, NEEDS TO BE REWRITTEN TO CONFORM TO REFORMED THEOLOGY. THATS WAY TO MUCH FOR ME. I BELIEVE GOD INSPIRED THE WRITTEN WORD TO BE UNDERSTOOD, EASILY NOT BY HAVING A PARTICULAR THEOLOGY ADD THEIR INTERPRETATION TO IT. MY SUGGESTION IS TO READ IT. PRAY FOR CLEAR UNDERSTANDING. AND PRAY FOR PEACE ABOUT MISTRANSLATING IT. THEN PRAY EVEN MORE, THEN GET QUICKLY OUT OF THE CHURCH THATS TEACHING ENTICING WORDS, FALSE DOCTRINE, AND FIND A CHURCH THAT TEACHES THE WORD OF GOD LITERALLY, HONESTLY WITHOUT STRAINING. WEIRDNESS. OR TWISTING.
Acts 2:21
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. ACCORDING TO REFORMED FAITH THIS SCRIPYURE WAS TRANSLATED WRONG. IT SHOULD HAVE SAID "WHOSOEVER IS ELECT AND GIVEN THE FAITH TO BELIEVE WILL THEN BE GIVEN THE ABILITY TO CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD AND BE SAVED" EVERY SCRIPTURE THAT ASKS A NON-BELIEVER TO BELIEVE OF HAVE FAITH, TO CALL ON THE LORD, TRUST HIM, CONFESS TO HIM, NEEDS TO BE REWRITTEN TO CONFORM TO REFORMED THEOLOGY. THATS WAY TO MUCH FOR ME. I BELIEVE GOD INSPIRED THE WRITTEN WORD TO BE UNDERSTOOD, EASILY NOT BY HAVING A PARTICULAR THEOLOGY ADD THEIR INTERPRETATION TO IT. MY SUGGESTION IS TO READ IT. PRAY FOR CLEAR UNDERSTANDING. AND PRAY FOR PEACE ABOUT MISTRANSLATING IT. THEN PRAY EVEN MORE, THEN GET QUICKLY OUT OF THE CHURCH THATS TEACHING ENTICING WORDS, FALSE DOCTRINE, AND FIND A CHURCH THAT TEACHES THE WORD OF GOD LITERALLY, HONESTLY WITHOUT STRAINING. WEIRDNESS. OR TWISTING.
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