37818
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What do you understand the reason Genesis 1:16, "he made" being added, not being in that Hebrew text? The stars literally became visible on the fourth day too.
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What God did on Earth's first fourth day.
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Genesis 1:16
And God made two great lights;
the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
As I read it, it literally says, “God made two great luminaries; the greater to rule the day, the lesser light and the stars to rule the night.”
As far as these are concerned it clearly states that the greater were made on this day. The two of them were great, in comparison to what other bodies of light it is not immediately connected. They are clearly seen to be greater than the stars. A person need only to make comparison for themselves. Without perspective, it is difficult to use words that show comparisons (as the word great).
The word light on day four is different than day one except in verse eighteen where it refers back to the day and night. The usage on day four is that of a body of light and not merely the light.
The greater body rules the day the lesser rules the night. At this point the English uses the colon to show a direct correlation with the previous portion of the sentence. As I understand it, the sun was made to rule the day. The moon was made to rule the night: also the stars. (As in the stars were also made for the night. They do not rule because they were not made to and so are somewhat separated from the two greats.)
From the Hebrew, I lean towards the bodies of light being made on the fourth day.
It was the bodies that were made on day 4. The light was already in existence.
The lack of the statement that the physical stars were made doesn’t mean that they were there or that they were not.
It not having much to do with doctrine, I am content to discuss it without coming to any definite conclusion.
37818
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Well, the bodies being made is adding to the word.
Proverbs 30:6, Add thou not unto his words, . . .
Let there be light vs 3
h0216. אוֹר ’ôr; from 215; illumination or (concrete) luminary (in every sense, including lightning, happiness, etc.): — bright, clear, + day, light (-ning), morning, sun.
Let there be lights vs 14
h3974. מָאוֹר mâ’ôr; or מָאֹר maor; also (in plural) feminine מְאוֹרָה mpowrah; or מְאֹרָה morah; from 215; properly, a luminous body or luminary, i.e. (abstractly) light (as an element): figuratively, brightness, i.e. cheerfulness; specifically, a chandelier: — bright, light.
I didn’t add anything. They are the words that are there.
37818
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There is disagreement as to the souce of the day one light.
From the true light [John 1:9] of the Son coming to earth, to the body known to be our Sun being lit up on day one.
The bodies for the sun and the moon were made on day four. It follows that the bodies for the stars were also made on day four.
I don’t know how there can be a disagreement about the source. God said let there be. He is the source. It couldn’t be the sun. It didn’t exist.
I’m not sure if I know what you mean.
37818
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Your view makes no sense.
The visible to the eye Andromada Galaxy has been measured to be some 2 and a half million light years away. That is older than our six days of creation.
God made a fully mature Adam. He could just as easily made a mature universe.
Also the heavens are still stretching out. Everything is still moving apart.
Isaiah 45:12
I have made the earth,
and created man upon it:
I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens,
and all their host have I commanded.
37818
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Yes. On day six.
Isaiah 45:12, I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
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So are you saying that God couldn’t have made a fully functioning mature universe with stars on day four?
37818
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Better. God had created the fully fuctioning mature universe with Genesis 1:1, before the six literal days, Genesis 1:3-31.
Without light that was added on day four, but He did make the sun and moon on day four?
The way I read the Hebrew, they were all made on day four.
Does this have anything to do with Lucifer being in charge of the earth before being covered by water? Because I don’t buy into that.
37818
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Lucifer is the Latin name. Not the Hebrew or Greek names.
Genesis 1:2 earth was covered with water.
You didn’t answer the question.
It really wouldn’t matter if I called him by his Spanish or Chinese name. You do know who I am talking about.
Do you adhere to the belief I have questioned you about?
It’s a “yes, no, i don’t know” question.
If yes, I appreciate the answer but, I disagree.
If no, I appreciate the answer and I would be glad to hear it.
If you don’t know, I appreciate your answer and I at least know who I am talking to.
I don’t disagree that the water was there before light. It clearly says darkness was on the face of the deep, out of which the dry land appeared.
37818
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I don't believe the evil one had any role in the events described in Genesis 1:2, And the earth was without form, and void; . . .
37818
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Because I made no such claims.
It’s out there.
37818
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In this thread? In what post#?
I haven’t seen it in here (the BB). I have been confronted with it in person to person conversations. It is one of those teachings that is related to the subject by proximity in a timeline. I just wanted to know how far this conversation had the potential to go.
