Could some of you who have studied Lev. 16 comment upon my understanding of the two goats concerning the work of Christ as the redeemer and High Priest? The two post below came from another thread concerning Christ being separated from the Father.
I believe the goat for the LORD took place when the Passover lamb was slain and Christ rose from the dead and ascended to the most Holy place and what is relative to the goat for Azazel will take place when Christ returns from the most Holy place.
↑ Martin said.............
I suppose I shall have to reprint my post on the scapegoat from the other thread. Here you are:
Lev. 16:20-22. 'And when [Aaron] has made an end to atoning for the Holy Place, the tabernacle of Meeting and the altar, he shall bring the live goat.
Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the live goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man. The goat will bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat into the wilderness.'
Aaron, as the representative of all Israel, identifies with the goat and symbolically transfers the people's sins to it. The goat is sent away to 'an uninhabited land;' literally (according to one commentary), 'a place of cutting off,' that is a place outside the camp where the creature was expected to die. All through Leviticus, being 'cut of from his people' signifies being given over to death. eg. Lev. 3:20. "I will set My face against that man, and will cut him off from his people, because he has given some of his descendants to Molech, to defile My sanctuary and profane My holy name.' (cf. also vs. 5-6).
The goat is sent away, bearing on itself all the sins of the Israelites. 'Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people with His own blood, suffered outside the gate.' the goat perishes carrying the sins of the people of God so that they should not suffer the penalty for sin. The Lord Jesus Christ died and carried our sins down into the tomb so that His people should not suffer the penalty for sin. 'And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.'
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Martin let ask for I feel you probably have studied this much more than I have?
Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat: And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness. And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goeth in to make an atonement in the holy place, until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel. Lev 16:15-17 -----
Does that not equate to?---
But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Heb 9:7-10
And that pointed to Christ presently who has entered into the real holy of holies as our high priest? ----Heb 9:11-15
But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: And he shall sprinkle of the blood upon it with his finger seven times, and cleanse it, and hallow it from the uncleanness of the children of Israel. How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Relative to Lev. 16: is not Christ the high priest still in the most holy place? Has he returned from the most holy place to deal with the goat for Azazel? "The Scapegoat."
Is that not still in the future and does it not take place after the day of trumpets? What do you think will take place on the day of trumpets, relative to those who were given the firstfruit of the Spirit beginning on Pentecost following the resurrection of the Passover Lamb?
I believe:
Jesus being the firstborn from the dead, washed away our sins in his own blood which has been sprinkled on the mercy seat in heaven, propitiation. Comparing Rev 1:5 with 1 Cor 15:17
Therefore what does our sins, that are wash away in Jesus's own blood, have to do with the goat for Azazel, which I believe to be a still future event?
I do not know how to make this relative to the OP but I believe it is.
I should have commented upon Martin's third paragraph that begin with, " The goat is sent away," because it contained a verse from Hebrews 13 verse 12.
Verse 12 is relative to verse 11 which equates Jesus suffering outside the gate to the bodies of the beasts, whose blood was carried into the sanctuary. That was the bull killed for Arron's sin and the blood pf the goat, for the LORD for the sins of the people. The bodies of those beasts, were burned without the camp and had nothing to do with the scapegoat.
No where is death, relative to the scapegoat, to my knowledge.
I believe the goat for the LORD took place when the Passover lamb was slain and Christ rose from the dead and ascended to the most Holy place and what is relative to the goat for Azazel will take place when Christ returns from the most Holy place.
↑ Martin said.............
I suppose I shall have to reprint my post on the scapegoat from the other thread. Here you are:
Lev. 16:20-22. 'And when [Aaron] has made an end to atoning for the Holy Place, the tabernacle of Meeting and the altar, he shall bring the live goat.
Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the live goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man. The goat will bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat into the wilderness.'
Aaron, as the representative of all Israel, identifies with the goat and symbolically transfers the people's sins to it. The goat is sent away to 'an uninhabited land;' literally (according to one commentary), 'a place of cutting off,' that is a place outside the camp where the creature was expected to die. All through Leviticus, being 'cut of from his people' signifies being given over to death. eg. Lev. 3:20. "I will set My face against that man, and will cut him off from his people, because he has given some of his descendants to Molech, to defile My sanctuary and profane My holy name.' (cf. also vs. 5-6).
The goat is sent away, bearing on itself all the sins of the Israelites. 'Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people with His own blood, suffered outside the gate.' the goat perishes carrying the sins of the people of God so that they should not suffer the penalty for sin. The Lord Jesus Christ died and carried our sins down into the tomb so that His people should not suffer the penalty for sin. 'And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.'
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I responded to MM thread ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Martin let ask for I feel you probably have studied this much more than I have?
Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat: And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness. And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goeth in to make an atonement in the holy place, until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel. Lev 16:15-17 -----
Does that not equate to?---
But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Heb 9:7-10
And that pointed to Christ presently who has entered into the real holy of holies as our high priest? ----Heb 9:11-15
But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: And he shall sprinkle of the blood upon it with his finger seven times, and cleanse it, and hallow it from the uncleanness of the children of Israel. How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Relative to Lev. 16: is not Christ the high priest still in the most holy place? Has he returned from the most holy place to deal with the goat for Azazel? "The Scapegoat."
Is that not still in the future and does it not take place after the day of trumpets? What do you think will take place on the day of trumpets, relative to those who were given the firstfruit of the Spirit beginning on Pentecost following the resurrection of the Passover Lamb?
I believe:
Jesus being the firstborn from the dead, washed away our sins in his own blood which has been sprinkled on the mercy seat in heaven, propitiation. Comparing Rev 1:5 with 1 Cor 15:17
Therefore what does our sins, that are wash away in Jesus's own blood, have to do with the goat for Azazel, which I believe to be a still future event?
I do not know how to make this relative to the OP but I believe it is.
I should have commented upon Martin's third paragraph that begin with, " The goat is sent away," because it contained a verse from Hebrews 13 verse 12.
Verse 12 is relative to verse 11 which equates Jesus suffering outside the gate to the bodies of the beasts, whose blood was carried into the sanctuary. That was the bull killed for Arron's sin and the blood pf the goat, for the LORD for the sins of the people. The bodies of those beasts, were burned without the camp and had nothing to do with the scapegoat.
No where is death, relative to the scapegoat, to my knowledge.
