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What Has Mueller Found?

HankD

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When he wins the second time, he can then finish recreating party in His image!
Y You assume much.

Another hurdle is that the social sectors known as "Millennial" and "Snowflake" folk will be coming of age as related to a political life.

It may well be that these added groups may swell the liberal head count to an electoral majority as well as a popular majority thereby making it very difficult for Trump to win again (should he run again).

Add to that - He may defeat himself by allowing a DACA amnesty - again swelling the DNC headcount.

There are many dangers for the RNC who seem to have no penchant for waking up and smelling the covfefe.
 

FollowTheWay

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We found out one thing going through that mess, the president can commit perjury with impunity. At least, they can if their name is Clinton and they're a democrat.

It appears the same standard applies to Hillary.
President Clinton was impeached for perjury. Not convicted but I wouldn't call that impunity.
 

HankD

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President Clinton was impeached for perjury. Not convicted but I wouldn't call that impunity.

im·pu·ni·ty
noun: impunity
exemption from punishment or freedom from the injurious consequences of an action.
"the impunity enjoyed by military officers implicated in civilian killings"
synonyms: immunity, indemnity, exemption (from punishment), freedom from liability, nonliability, license;
 

FollowTheWay

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im·pu·ni·ty
noun: impunity
exemption from punishment or freedom from the injurious consequences of an action.
"the impunity enjoyed by military officers implicated in civilian killings"
synonyms: immunity, indemnity, exemption (from punishment), freedom from liability, nonliability, license;
I understand but if you were indicted for a crime and tried but found innocent would you say you got away with that crime with impunity?
 

Yeshua1

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Y You assume much.

Another hurdle is that the social sectors known as "Millennial" and "Snowflake" folk will be coming of age as related to a political life.

It may well be that these added groups may swell the liberal head count to an electoral majority as well as a popular majority thereby making it very difficult for Trump to win again (should he run again).

Add to that - He may defeat himself by allowing a DACA amnesty - again swelling the DNC headcount.

There are many dangers for the RNC who seem to have no penchant for waking up and smelling the covfefe.
I just see the silent Majoprity, those still for some morals and not for abortion and gay weddings and liberal big govt are starting to wake up, as they were all waiting to have someone of a strong backbone support their causes!
 

HankD

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I just see the silent Majority, those still for some morals and not for abortion and gay weddings and liberal big govt are starting to wake up, as they were all waiting to have someone of a strong backbone support their causes!

Really?

The scripture indicates things will get worse not better before He returns.

2 Timothy 3
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
 

carpro

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Innocent? Who Bill?

In a political sense he was found "innocent", but impeachment is not a legal process, it's a political one. He was guilty and everyone knew it, even democrats. But they didn't want to remove him from office for it.

Legally, on his last day in office, he plea bargained to avoid being indicted and tried. IOW he pled guilty to perjury and lost his ability to practice law for 5 years and paid a $25,000 fine.
 
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Yeshua1

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Really?

The scripture indicates things will get worse not better before He returns.

2 Timothy 3
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
Yes, but also there were times when the Lord relented long enough to have a godly ruler lead a temporary blessing for the people! Like a King Hezekiah...
 

HankD

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Yes, but also there were times when the Lord relented long enough to have a godly ruler lead a temporary blessing for the people! Like a King Hezekiah...
Personally - Even so, come LORD Jesus.
 

FollowTheWay

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In a political sense he was found "innocent", but impeachment is not a legal process, it's a political one. He was guilty and everyone knew it, even democrats. But they didn't want to remove him from office for it.

Legally, on his last day in office, he plea bargained to avoid being indicted and tried. IOW he pled guilty to perjury and lost his ability to practice law for 5 years and paid a $25,000 fine.
That's the process. He was not found guilty.
 

HankD

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He was impeached (indicted) but not found guilty by the Senate.
Yes I know.

Right, the presumption of innocence.

Actually Bill publicly apologized 3 times (that I know of) for his indiscretions but the Republicans kept hounding him.
I thought that was just as bad.
 

kyredneck

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We found out one thing going through that mess

the Republicans kept hounding him.
I thought that was just as bad.

To quote 'The Turtle':

McConnell Warns Pelosi: "Presidential Harassment" May Not Be Good Strategy

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"Mitch McConnell had words of warning for Nancy Pelosi - don't try to impeach President Trump as it can backfire'

The business of presidential harassment – which we were deeply engaged in in the late 90s – improved the president's approval rating and tanked ours,' he said"

Don't impeach Trump McConnell tells Pelosi, 'presidential harassment' will only make him stronger | Daily Mail Online
 
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carpro

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Mr. Clinton's Last Deal


In a sad coda to his tumultuous presidency, Bill Clinton used his final full day in office yesterday to bring legal closure and a belated measure of candor to the scandal that will forever mar his record. Under what amounts to a plea-bargain deal with the independent counsel Robert Ray, Mr. Clinton admitted for the first time to ''testifying falsely'' when he denied an affair with Monica Lewinsky during a deposition in the Paula Jones sexual harassment suit. Most people will properly see that as an admission that he lied under oath, notwithstanding the semantic quibbling of Mr. Clinton's lawyer, David Kendall.

As part of the deal, Mr. Clinton also accepted a five-year suspension of his license to practice law in Arkansas and agreed to pay a $25,000 fine. In exchange, Mr. Ray has agreed to close his investigation without filing any criminal charges against Mr. Clinton for perjury or obstruction of justice.
 
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