what have we done to Somalia

[Squire Robertsson]

Mr Grubbs, what does your comment have to do with The Troubles in Somalia?

 

[El_Guero]

Squire,

Imperialism and colonialism has laid a negative foundation around that world. And when you add the tribal and religious hatred that is common in this world you are left with a devestating combination.

 

[JGrubbs]

Originally posted by Squire Robertsson:
Mr Grubbs, what does your comment have to do with The Troubles in Somalia?

Sorry about not staying on topic, I was replying to the post by D28guy on page one of this thread.

 

[emeraldctyangel]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by emeraldctyangel:
With regard to the 'dumping of Somalis in places like Atlanta and Maine', those people wanted out, we didnt capture them and make them come here for crying out loud.

At the very least, they are documented aliens. Maybe they will apply for citizenship. Good for them. That is one of the very best things about America. Their lives were spared from genocide, and perhaps this one gift of freedom will allow them to become productive members of the human race. And if those who follow Islam really want peace, there is no better time to start than the present.

They came here because the US made a deal with the UN to accept them because the original countries who agreed to accept them went back on the deal. We were left holding the bag.

Over the past decade, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) has been trying to relocate the Bantu, first in Tanzania and then in Mozambique. Although both countries initially agreed to take in the refugees, both have reneged on their promises.

Writing in The American Conservative, Roger McGrath points out that Arab slave traders took the Bantus, whose ancestral home is Tanzania, to Somalia in the 18th and 19th centuries. While they are no longer slaves in Somalia, Bantus in that country "were restricted to jobs considered demeaning, excluded from the Somali clan system, and referred to by pejorative names, generally meaning something like ?lowly slave.?"

When civil war erupted in 1991 after the fall of Soviet-sponsored Somali dictator Mohammed Siad Barre, the Bantus ? who had neither arms nor allies in the clan system ? were dispossessed and driven across the border into UN refugee camps in Kenya.

In 1999, the UN designated the Somali Bantus as "persecuted refugees," and the Clinton administration ? acting under the terms of the 1980 Refugee Act ? agreed to resettle them in the United States.

This latest wave of Somali refugees will join a vast Somali sub-population that has already embedded itself in America. According to an April 4, 2001 report on Minnesota Public Radio, Minnesota is home to the largest settlement of Somalis outside Africa. While that midwestern state, with its Norwegian cultural history, brutally cold winters, and plentiful lakes, seems an unlikely haven for refugees from an arid country on the Horn of Africa, it offers one irresistible lure to the newcomers: extraordinarily liberal welfare policies, coupled with a pervasive multicultural dogma that makes criticism of such policies tantamount to a "hate crime."

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2003/04-07-2003/vo19no07_alien.htm

You should also know they will spend a good part of the next 7 years or so paying back the cost of travel and settlement back to the US government.

I'd like to see some documentation of that but you can't produce any because it simply isn't true. Right now, these resettled Somalians are sending money home to the warlords in their mother country. As inept as our bureaucracy of a government is, there is no way all these people have been adequately screened for ties to terrorism. Really, you should do so research before you ask us to believe your opinions are based on facts.

I would just like to remind you that you should be thankful you werent born there.

Oh, I am. And my ancestors worked hard to make this country as great and wonderful as it is by sacrifice of blood, life, land, and treasure. Get it? They worked for it and sacrificed for it. They were given no handouts. Somalian immigrants haven't earned the right to be here - it was a political deal only, not based on their own merit.

I cant figure out if you just dispise everyone or just like to complain about everything.

I don't "dispise anyone." Neither do I despise everyone. What I do despise is our government importing people in here by the thousands and expecting taxpayers to support them, giving them FREE goods and services they are not entitled to because they didn't earn it.

Whatever it is, prayer will help.

Prayer always helps. No dispute there. </font>[/QUOTE]"We" were left holding the bag? You dont hold the bag, nope you pass it off to someone else.

Last I checked (yesterday) the UN forces the US in very very little. Okay, let me rephrase. The UN doesnt force the US at all. We are America. One of the most able nations on this planet to take people in. And had this country not been that way from the start...your hardworking ancestors might still be digging in the dirt from wherever it was they came.

Have you ever been to Bantu or Tanzania? About one step up from Somalia in more than a few books that is for sure. Why would I leave a country at war with each other, to go to another country at war with each other? If my dreams were the stuff of indentured service or being systematically starved to death, perhaps that would be the place to go. I have to laugh at the writer's dismay over Bantu...as it is actually part of Somalia. Somali-Bantu has refugeed people to Kenya (another dreamy place to live), KY (that ought to be interesting), MA, AZ, Atlanta, St. Louis, UT, CO, CA and TX. And as for getting the money back, well trot yourself over to one of them if you are really that curious, and ask them. Because that is exactly how I found out. The lady that owns the nail salon across from my condo was refugeed out of there in 99 and she is proud to be almost finished with her payments.

How can anyone be adequetely screened for being a terrorist? Perhaps by the number of hateful posts they make on a Christian website? Stay still while I sweep you into the cracked pot pile.

 

[The Galatian]

Barbarian observes that the US entered WWII because the Japanese attacked us.

The Germans did not attack us.

However, the day after Pearl Harbor, the Germans declared war on us. So we had no option there, either. Surrender or fight.

Was our war with Hitler, in your opinion, wrong?

Do you think it's wrong to fight a nation that declares war on us? I don't.

Did we take our eye off the ball?

We just had to keep our eyes on two balls for a bit.

 

[The Galatian]

You voted for Al "I'll steal this election if it kills me" Gore and John Kerry didnt you?

Wrong. Kerry is too much of a big government guy for me. Not as much as Bush turned out to be, but still more than I like. When Gore ran, I was into this thing about having to vote for the lesser of two evils. That was a mistake.

(Barbarian observes that people are a little confused about who was responsible for 9/11)

"2) Our president has made clear that this is not a war just against the demonic Taliban, but against terrorism in general and anyone who harbors the ones who bombed New York City and Washington DC."

In fact, Iraq had no part at all in 9/11. The Taliban despised Saddam, and Osama said that Saddam should be killed. The point was, as Rumsfeld said, "But all the good targets are in Iraq." By now, most people have wised up. You should, too.

Thats the reason why we are taking the fight to other places where they have earned the right to have us come there as well.

After we removed Saddam, the resulting power vacuum allowed terrorists into Iraq. And now we are less safe than before.

You must have a short memory, so I'll remind you.

Looks like you forgot some basic facts yourself. Even Bush now admits that Saddam wasn't involved in 9/11.

There was much joy and literal dancing in the streets after where captured the demon from hell named Saddam Hussein, after killing his demon sons, and overthrowing that government.

Well, that was the theory. Unfortunately, Iraqis are killing around 60 of our troops each month, so there seem to be a few of them who aren't so happy.

I guess you would go over there and lecture the Iraqi citizens concerning all that dancing, and firmly reprimand then for it while doing what you can to put Sadamm Huisein back in power?

You are the most reliably wrong guy I've ever met.