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SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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tyndale1946 said:
Oh you and I have evidence that is where we are bound, its called faith but until I'm standing in the presence of the Lord, where is the reality?... See you think since you have joined, you did something to get saved... And have to say in that mindset, if you slip, you're not, if you slip in life are you saved?... And the way I look at the thief on the cross, his heart was changed by God, allowing him to believe and repent... He had to know who he believed in before he could repent... When he said Jesus, Lord he knew who he was, now he can repent... Remember me, when thou comest into thy kingdom... I hear people ask me, well why didn't he save the other one?... I don't know!... Ask God!... Brother Glen:)

2 Corinthians 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight)

8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
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These words in chapter 3 are to BELIEVERS, and not the UNSAVED

Wherefore, even as the Holy Ghost saith, Today if ye shall hear his voice, 8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, Like as in the day of the temptation in the wilderness, 9 Wherewith your fathers tempted [me] by proving [me], And saw my works forty years. 10 Wherefore I was displeased with this generation, And said, They do alway err in their heart: But they did not know my ways; 11 As I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest. 12 Take heed, brethren, lest haply there shall be in any one of you an evil heart of unbelief, in falling away from the living God: 13 but exhort one another day by day, so long as it is called Today; lest any one of you be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin: 14 for we are become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our confidence firm unto the end:

I am not interested in "theology", but what the Bible says. Now can you explain this passage?
 
timdabap

timdabap

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Salty said:
Well for starters. that you think Miss Teresa, should be in Heaven.
NOT by works of Righteousness......
and then she said things such as " “If there be no God, there can be no soul. If there be no soul then, Jesus, You also are not true.”
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no I do not think Mother Teresa should be in heaven and neither do I feel she should be in hell
nor do I mean to say that those cited to be in heaven shouldn't be there.
as for your quote by which you judged Mother Teresa, what was the context of her saying that ? because it sounds to me like a defense of theism.
 
John of Japan

John of Japan

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timdabap said:
What does that mean ?
Not very sharp you know, especially at 75....
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I just turned 70, so I'm with you there. :)

It's an old joke meaning that the question is unanswerable.
But, what if, John....
Obviously, I am waiting for the soteriology of whoever replies, because there are various soteriologies in various seminaries and which various ministers hold to and teach, and all of them say it's what the Bible teaches.
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A soteriology based on grammatical historical interpretation will always end up teaching salvation by faith in Christ and His sacrifice, without any works to earn salvation.

Gandhi was anything but a Christian. I have read that he rejected Christianity directly due to his belief that Christians did not live up to their beliefs. (Touche!)

Mother Teresa was all about good works, not faith so much. Have you read about her letters released after her death? They were full of despair, believing Christ to be absent from her. Also, she was a faithful Catholic, so therefore accepting the Catholic soteriology of works salvation.

Again, she taught a prayer to Mary that is idolatrous. Idolatry is the worst sin of the Decalogue, appearing in the first two. Having ministered in a Buddhist country for 33 years, I have seen idolatry and its terrible harm many, many times. I can't believe that one can stay an idolator and be saved.
 
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tyndale1946

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John of Japan said:
I just turned 70, so I'm with you there. :)

It's an old joke meaning that the question is unanswerable.

A soteriology based on grammatical historical interpretation will always end up teaching salvation by faith in Christ and His sacrifice, without any works to earn salvation.

Gandhi was anything but a Christian. I have read that he rejected Christianity directly due to his belief that Christians did not live up to their beliefs. (Touche!)

Mother Teresa was all about good works, not faith so much. Have you read about her letters released after her death? They were full of despair, believing Christ to be absent from her. Also, she was a faithful Catholic, so therefore accepting the Catholic soteriology of works salvation.

Again, she taught a prayer to Mary that is idolatrous. Idolatry is the worst sin of the Decalogue, appearing in the first two. Having ministered in a Buddhist country for 33 years, I have seen idolatry and its terrible harm many, many times. I can't believe that one can stay an idolator and be saved.
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I've got you all beat I'm 76... We can all say what we want and make any judgement we fell satisfies our inclination but I have been in the church over 50 years and I say leave Eternal Salvation where it belongs... In God's hands!... Brother Glen:)
 
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