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What is a "feminist'?

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Thankful, Jul 6, 2003.

  1. Headcoveredlady

    Headcoveredlady New Member

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    Based upon Scripture. [​IMG]
     
  2. Thankful

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    Another thing to add, Karen. Many of these groups do not have electricity in their homes, (it is considered wrong) but it is ok to have the electricity in the barns, thus they can be on the internet in the barn.

    Also, the ones who have only buggies, have told me it is ok to ride in someone else's car, for example to Dallas.

    Oh yes, it is ok to have electrical equipment to make furniture, etc.

    This is not hearsay. I was told by the people themselves when explaining their beliefs to me.

    I will say that they are great cooks....And a very gentle people.

    There are also some rules about education, but I have forgotten those.

    I think that the others who answered my post when they said that it was up to the husband or the individual family do not realize that during the time before women could vote, this was true of all families. Each family did not have a choice as we do now.
     
  3. Thankful

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    Thank you CFB for sharing that. I ahve read that she was an atheist before. Sad when so many Christians hold her in high esteem. [/QUOTE]


    Probably for what she stood for and what she did to help others.

    Susan B. Anthony
     
  4. ColoradoFB

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    Thankful, I agree. Her personal beliefs do not have any bearing on the good she did for women in this country.
     
  5. timothy 1769

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    does this have any application?

    Matthew 7
    15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

    if not, why not?
     
  6. Ed Edwards

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    Concerning Susan B. Anthony HCL says:
    "I ahve read that she was an atheist before.
    Sad when so many Christians hold her in high esteem. "

    Where did you read she was an atheist?
    My sources on the internet indicate she
    was of the Quaker branch of Protestant Christians.
    What i read of her she was a person all REAL
    Christians should hold in high esteem.
     
  7. Ed Edwards

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    Tee Hee! [​IMG]

    And by the same logic i should quit sitting
    all day in front of a computer terminal
    getting rich so i can give my 10% to
    my local church. [​IMG]
     
  8. Ed Edwards

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    Susan B. Anthony was against religious
    persecution. I'm sure she was also against
    brutalizing women by ill concieved restrictive
    religious laws.

    Jesus describes such religious
    persecution of women by restrictive laws
    in Matthew 23:15 (KJV1769):
    Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
    for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte,
    and when he is made, ye make him twofold more
    the child of hell than yourselves
    .
     
  9. Ed Edwards

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    It has no application.
    Susan B. Anthony was not a prophet.
    Susan B. Anthony brought forth good fruit,
    and the world is a better place due to her
    activism in movements for women's equality,
    racial equality, even proper pay for men. [​IMG]
     
  10. Headcoveredlady

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    Can you please show me where there is a statement that she was a born again Christian?


    Thank you so much for sharing this link, I see that she:

    "Susan B. Anthony advocated dress reform for women. She cut her hair and wore the bloomer costume for a year before ridicule convinced her it detracted from the causes she supported"
     
  11. timothy 1769

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    I see no need to do that
    research for you. Her good works testify to her
    inner person, and her good works show she
    was a born again Christian.
    The Holy Spirit testifies to my heart that
    Susan B. Anthony was a born again Christian.
    [​IMG]
     
  13. Ed Edwards

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    Atheists are knownh liars.
    And i didn't find where they claimed
    Susan B. Anthony to be an atheist.
    Susan B. Anthony did fight for the religious
    rights of atheists as well as those who
    believed religions other than her own
    Quaker Protestant Christianity. [​IMG]
     
  14. Headcoveredlady

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    Thanks Timothy for that article.

    In my opinion she has done alot of harm to women. Look at what feminism has done for America. Do we really believe feminism is good for the church?

    Look at the abortion statistics.

    Look at the divorces in and out of the church.

    Look at the broken families and homes.

    Look at the children.

    Feminism has brought women down.

    I proclaim that feminism is the lie of satan and I renounce it in the name of Jesus Christ.
     
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    http://members.tripod.com/~danewe/susan.html
     
  16. timothy 1769

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    from http://www.atheists.org/Atheism/roots/anthony/

    Susan had expressed herself on immortality in a letter to her sister Mary in 1880, at age 60, concerned with her sister Hannah's death: "Just three years ago this day was our dear Hannah's last on earth, and I can see her now sitting by the window and can hear her say, 'Talk, Susan.' I knew she wanted me to talk of the future meetings in the great beyond, all of them, as she often said, so certain and so beautiful to her; but they were not to me, and I could not dash her faith with my doubts, nor could I pretend a faith I had not; so I was silent in the dread presence of death."
     
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    "In 1869 Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton formed a new organisation, the National Woman Suffrage Association (NWSA). The organisation condemned the Fourteenth and Fifteenth amendments as blatant injustices to women. The NWSA also advocated easier divorce"

    "This great American Atheist, every woman in the United States who can vote, attend college, hold property, have custody of children, or live with some independence owes these liberties to the great Atheist fighters of the suffrage movement, led by Susan B. Anthony. She is revered in the common every day routines of living by women everywhere. The small freedoms —as well as the large— hard won victories of her single-minded devotion and dedication, remind us constantly that we all need to struggle to maintain them and enlarge them, in her memory and for our personal expanding satisfactions of a good life."
     
  18. Ed Edwards

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    Headcoveredlady: "I proclaim that feminism is
    the lie of satan and I renounce it in the
    name of Jesus Christ. "

    Amen, Sister Headcoveredlady -- Preach it!

    Recall that HCL has a special definition of
    "feminism" which is totally different from
    what the rest of Christianity has to wit:

    "Here is my list of a feminist, (I know it is not a Bible word.) But, the principles of feminism are in the Bible and are warned against. I am not picking on any one person here. I still have feminist ways in me too.

    1) She does not teach the younger women to love their husbands.

    2) She does not teach the younger women to love their children.

    3) She does not teach the younger women to be keepers at home.

    4) She does not teach the younger women to reverence their husbands.

    5)She does not teach the younger women to be discreet, but claims they can wear anything they want.

    6)She does not wear modest apparel.

    7) She is not shamefaced.

    8) She does not learn in silence.

    9) She teaches men and usurps authority from them in church and out of it.

    10) She has lost her natural affection and is not concerned about bearing children.

    11) She is a tattler, a busybody and idle.

    12) She has no interest in marriage, not for the purpose of serving the Lord, but for self service.

    13) She does not guide her own house.

    14) She submits to no man, not even her husband.

    15) She is not gentle and quiet.

    16) She spends a lot of time in adorning her outward self all the while neglecting the inward.

    17) She is not one of Sarah's daughters.

    18) She does not understand that she was made for the man.

    19) She does not understand that the head of the woman is the man.

    20) She is unconcerned about gender distinction in clothing and appearances.

    21)She takes charge in her home and/or at church, speaking and teaching the men.

    22) When her husband suggests that they do something she asks, "Are you sure what about this other way?"

    23) She wears the attire of a harlot.

    24) Her feet do not remain at home.

    25) She is loud and stubborn.

    26) She is impudent.

    27) She may even be religious."

    Obviously Susan B. Anthony was NOT this
    limited defintion of "feminist".
    But obviously these bad things are lies of satan,
    they just don't add up to real feminism.
     
  19. Thankful

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    Yes, Diane, Susan B. Anthony was against abortion.

    Anthony called for equal educational opportunities for all regardless of race, and for all schools,colleges, and universities to open their doors to women and ex-slaves. She also campaigned for the right of children
    of ex-slaves to attend public schools.

    Anthony said:

    I want you to maintain, that our platform may be kept as broad as the universe, that upon it may stand the representatives of all creeds—Jew or Christian, Protestant or Catholic, Gentile
    or Mormon, pagan or Atheist."


    She advocated equal rights for all people.
     
  20. Thankful

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    I have not found anything where Susan said she was an atheist. She was accused of being an atheist and naturally, The American Atheist organization would take credit for what she did.

    It seems that I have said enough about this subject as I believe in equal rights for all people and I also believe that Jesus believed in this also.

    Now I know that we are to submit to each other; that the husband is head of the home, but it does not mean that women should be second class citizens.

    I will never be convinced that feminism is the cause for all the world's ills.
     
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