What is a hyper-fundamentalist?

[standingfirminChrist]

amen, Shiloh.

As I have posted before, we need to seek out the old paths and walk therein; when man believed the Word of God and did not try to dissect it, nor did he try to change it to fit his walk.

Romans 8:1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by Shiloh:
A fundamentalist doesn't have to re-write the Bible everytime he finds something he/she doesn't agree with.

I trust the text the way it is written not try to reinterpret it to mean something it never meant. The reason I ask questions of the text is to try and understand what God wanted to communicate to His people with the message He gave.

When the fundamentalist reads "Thou shalt not" they don't! The liberal looks for a verse to twist to agree with them or as I said change versions.

So every fundamentalist is perfect and without sin? Either you are perfect and have no sin or need to read your Bible more.

Romans 7:15, "For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate."

 

[shannonL]

GB,

You didn't quote from the KJV so your point will be mute with Shiloh.
Yet at the same time he is right on one thing.
Alot of people today more than in times past seem to believe that alot of what the Bible has to say is couched in nuance in alot of passages where it just isn't. There is quite a few black and white topics even in the NT.Even in this time of grace.

There is nothing wrong with studying to show thyself approved. But this attitude that everything is up for discussion has led to such things like The Emergent Church where its leaders have thrown everything out the window. To think that Christianity Today would even give credence to this movement as herectical as it is.This is the fruit of "everything is up for discussion"

 

[Shiloh]

quote, "So every fundamentalist is perfect and without sin? Either you are perfect and have no sin or need to read your Bible more."
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I consider myself an Independant Fundamental Baptist! When did I ever say I was perfect and or without sin? However you are right about one thing, I do need to read my Bible more.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

we all need to read our Bibles more.

 

[Shiloh]

From gb93433, Romans 7:15, "For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate."
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I am sorry you don't understand. Let me give this verse from the Bible then you might have a little more understanding of it's meaning.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

 

[Major B]

A hyper-fundamentalist is someone more conservative than me. A liberal is someone less conservative than me.

Riiiiight!

 

[Orvie]

Originally posted by standingfirminChrist:
amen, Shiloh.

As I have posted before, we need to seek out the old paths and walk therein; when man believed the Word of God and did not try to dissect it, nor did he try to change it to fit his walk.

Romans 8:1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

I choose the "old paths" that have been around even before 1611.

[edited - please limit version questions to the Bible Versions/Translations forum]

[ January 17, 2006, 12:46 AM: Message edited by: C4K ]

 

[MikeinGhana]

First of all, I am a fundamental Baptist by choice and by conviction. I have strong opinions/convictions for the KJV. I am teaching a course of Cults in our Bible institute. When I began to study for this course and put my notes together I noticed something interesting. All the characteristics of the cults are descriptive of any group, fundamentalists included, that get out of balance or extreme. Here are the characteristics I teach. See if you can see how they can describe someone who gets extreme:

1. Exlusiveness - No one outside the group is accepted.
2. Inclusiveness - Syncretistic values inorder to attract others. (Not such a good example)
3. Personality Cult - Extreme devotion to a leader, his ideals or beliefs.
4. Social Control - Leadership controlling people, their lifestyle, decisions, relationships, etc.
5. Convert Making - Every member of the cult is required to make converts to the group.
6. Terminology - Using Christian terms with a different meaning.
7. Eschatology - Cults sometimes have an urgent eschatological hope for their members.

I warned our students that we must be careful not to become so extreme that we mimic the cults. When we become intolerant of others, we throw the doctrine of Soul Liberty right out the window. This may be a charcteristic of a "hyper."

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by Shiloh:

I am sorry you don't understand. Let me give this verse from the Bible then you might have a little more understanding of it's meaning.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

Wasn't it you who wrote, "When the fundamentalist reads "Thou shalt not" they don't!"
If so, then you are claiming that if one is a fundamentalist he always does what scripture commands. I don't know of anyone without sin. So your claim is wrong.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by Shiloh:

2. A fundamentalist doesn't have to re-write the Bible everytime he finds something he/she doesn't agree with.

But that is what you have effectively done with some issues. Wine being a good example.

You "questioned" whether God's Word as given was sufficiently conservative enough for you, determined it wasn't, then wrote your own convictions between the lines of scripture.

You found something you didn't agree with and re-wrote the Bible.

When the fundamentalist reads "Thou shalt not" they don't!

Yes. But that isn't the same as taking a principle and fashioning your own law out of it or else taking a clear biblical standard and expanding it beyond the spirit it was given in- a la the Pharissees.

The liberal looks for a verse to twist to agree with them or as I said change versions.

But that isn't what people here have done. We have taken verses, shown consummate respect to scripture, and realized that scripture doesn't say what you say it says.