What Is a Jew or an Israelite?

[Aaron]

I did not realize you were claiming that being a Jew has nothing to do with ethnicity.

Obviously you are wrong, but it depends on what definition you are using.


In a secular sence a Jew is the people who descended from the Israelis that occupied Judea many centuries ago. It is like our native Americans. One's ethnicity as a Jew or native American can be verified through DNA tests.

What we know about the present day Israelis is that they are descended from the genetic peoples who occupied Judea and the present day Jewish people share a unique genetic markers even though they are dispersed throughout the world.

This has nothing to do with evangelical. It is secular (it is the same process used to determine native American heritage).


But science cannot test for religious belief.

You're just stating your opinions. The one time you tried to appeal to evidence it was to your fallacious notions of Israel™'s politics, which have been rebutted. Like I've heard said, what is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

 

[Aaron]

It is like our native Americans.

You mean like Elizabeth Warren?

 

[JonC]

You're just stating your opinions. The one time you tried to appeal to evidence it was to your fallacious notions of Israel™'s politics, which have been rebutted. Like I've heard said, what is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

You never offered a rebuttal. You simply said they will not let uncircumcized people in.

But we know that Christians, Arabs, Muslims, and Jews all are members of the Israeli government and are citizens of Israel. So your idea is completely debunked. All you have to do is look at the people in the government to know you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[JonC]

You mean like Elizabeth Warren?

Yes.... I was thinking of her when I wrote that post .

Actually I mean like people who are members of this indigenous group.

But Warren is a good place to start. She is less than 1% Native American. Most tribes consider 25% to be considered Native American.

On the other hand, Netanyahu's heretiage is primary Ashkenazi with traces of Sephardic ancestry (100% Jewish ancestory). BUT the DNA only shows his ancestors came from Judea. It does not detect their religion.

The Jews considered to be ethnic Jews have at least 30% Jewish heretiage (they come from the semetic tribes that lived in Judea).

And, on another topic, the Earth is not flat.

 

[Aaron]

You never offered a rebuttal. You simply said they will not let uncircumcized people in.

But we know that Christians, Arabs, Muslims, and Jews all are members of the Israeli government and are citizens of Israel. So your idea is completely debunked. All you have to do is look at the people in the government to know you have no idea what you are talking about.

I didn’t say Israel(TM) didn’t have non-Jewish citizens...and they aren't equal citizens. I said no one is received as a jew without it.

You obviously didn't peruse the evidence of the citizenship laws I posted.

I cued the video to the relevant spots, but don't feel you have to deprive yourself of the information contained in the entire feature.

The more you know.

And on another topic, Santa Clause isn't real.

 

[JonC]

I didn’t say Israel(TM) didn’t have non-Jewish citizens...and they aren't equal citizens. I said no one is received as a jew without it.

You obviously didn't peruse the evidence of the citizenship laws I posted.

I cued the video to the relevant spots, but don't feel you have to deprive yourself of the information contained in the entire feature.

The more you know.

And on another topic, Santa Clause isn't real.

The problem is you said that nobody is received as a Jew (ethnic) without being circumcised. This is not true (hence "a problem).

Jewish law (Halakha) considers uncircumcized Jews as fully Jewish.