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...and you're an addict of 'Sensationalism of Dispensationalism'.

 

But I can prove mine while you can't prove preterism.

 

The only thing you've proven to me over the years is just how carnal and brutish you are concerning the spirituality of the new covenant. Your mentality is 'if it can't be seen with the eye or touched with the hand then it ain't real'.

 

this is the thrust of replacement theology.

It claim pre-millenial believers reject the new covenant.

Pre-mil and their beliefs are based on the Abraham covenant. Not the mosaic. So the new covenant has no real bearing on our beliefs. We believe there is neither jew or Greek. free or slave, male or female.

But we also believe God made a promise to a nation. And that promise still stands.,. The new covenant does not negate that covenant handed down fro Abraham. In fact, the new covenant is the fulfillment of part of that same covenant which in another aspect makes a specific promise to one of his children. and all of his descendants.

 

... it is not the children of the flesh that are children of God; but the children of the promise are reckoned for a seed. Ro 9:8

It's NOT physical Israel, but spiritual Israel.

If this is not being replaced then I don't know the meaning of the word:

40 When therefore the lord of the vineyard shall come, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those miserable men, and will let out the vineyard unto other husbandmen, who shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same was made the head of the corner; This was from the Lord, And it is marvelous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And he that falleth on this stone shall be broken to pieces: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will scatter him as dust.
45 And when the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. Mt 21

11 And I say unto you, that many shall come from the east and the west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven:
12 but the sons of the kingdom shall be cast forth into the outer darkness: there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth. Mt 8

28 There shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and yourselves cast forth without.
29 And they shall come from the east and west, and from the north and south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. Lu 13

19 Thou wilt say then, Branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Ro 11

30 Howbeit what saith the scripture? Cast out the handmaid and her son: for the son of the handmaid shall not inherit with the son of the freewoman. Gal 4

K. But remember this; "God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham".

For how many soever be the promises of God, in him [Christ] is the yea: wherefore also through him is the Amen, unto the glory of God through us. 2 Cor 1:20

16 Now to Abraham were the promises spoken, and to his seed. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
29 And if ye are Christ`s, then are ye Abraham`s seed, heirs according to promise. Gal 3

All the promises apply to the Church through Christ.

All the promises made to physical Israel were fulfilled long ago: He ALWAYS fulfills His promises:

43 So Jehovah gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
44 And Jehovah gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; Jehovah delivered all their enemies into their hand.
45 There failed not aught of any good thing which Jehovah had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass. Josh 21

And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which Jehovah your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, not one thing hath failed thereof. Josh 23:14

Blessed be Jehovah, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to all that he promised: there hath not failed one word of all his good promise, which he promised by Moses his servant. 1 Ki 8:56

For how many soever be the promises of God, in him is the yea: wherefore also through him is the Amen, unto the glory of God through us. 2 Cor 1:20

 

Sorry to inform you, Sir, but the NC is not germane to this thread. YOUR attitude seems to be, "It was prophesied, but didn't happen when I think it should have; therefore, it's figurative/symbolic."

 

Incredible. The very first sentence of the OP:

"The new is in the old concealed. The old is in the new revealed".

"Not germane"....incredible.

 

Non of this supports your view.

The abrahamic covenant has 2 main points

1. God promised Abraham a plot of land. He gave it to him and his descendants as an ETERNAL gift. He later recomfirmed that covenant with Abraham's son Isaac, and then later with Jacob.

2. In the same covenant, He promised, through your seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.

Everything you posted here has to do with point 2. Non of it has to do with point 1. Salvation was NEVER promised only to the jews. It was ALWAYS to all the nations. THROUGH the one who would be of the seed of abraham

Promise number 1 has never had anything to do with anyone's eternal destination. Even when they entered the land it never once met the people who lived there were all saved.

Sadly the jews did not understand this point. which is why paul had to make all the comments above. Because he had to break the thought that a jew was automatically saved and a gentile was left out..

Israel as a nation was promised land and peace while in that land. It was eternal covenent and not binding on anything Israel

Now if you read lev 26, They DID have to obey if they wanted to partake in their own land,. If they failed to obey they would be punished. Up to and including being completely removed from the land and the land given to her enemies.

But even if this happen's (like it did when assyria destroyed the northern kingdom, and Rome destroyed the southern (in 70 AD)) God said if they repent. If they confess their sin and the sin of their fathers. If they come back, He will remember the land, He will remember the promise.

 

Scripture please.

 

Gen 15:
17 And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces. 18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:
“To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”

Gen 17: 1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. 2 And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly.” 3 Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying: 4 “As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations. 5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you. 7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

Gen 35: 9 Then God appeared to Jacob again, when he came from Padan Aram, and blessed him. 10 And God said to him, “Your name is Jacob; your name shall not be called Jacob anymore, but Israel shall be your name.” So He called his name Israel. 11 Also God said to him: “I am God Almighty. Be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall proceed from you, and kings shall come from your body. 12 The land which I gave Abraham and Isaac I give to you; and to your descendants after you I give this land.”


Gen 48: 3 Then Jacob said to Joseph: “God Almighty appeared to me at Luz in the land of Canaan and blessed me, 4 and said to me, ‘Behold, I will make you fruitful and multiply you, and I will make of you a multitude of people, and give this land to your descendants after you as an everlasting possession.’


Ex 32: 13. Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, Your servants, to whom You swore by Your own self, and said to them, ‘I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven; and all this land that I have spoken of I give to your descendants, and they shall inherit it forever.’ ”

 

Yes, this is the basis for the Jews' seeking to boot the Palestinians out of what they consider the land of Israel.

 

it may be,

But that does not negate the fact that the land promise is still valid. When Israel repents. They will not have to kick anyone out. God will restore them.

 

That's funnyism.

 

There's nothing like begging the question when the Scriptures lend no evidence to one's claims.

 

If you and @kyredneck will allow me, I would like to comment on this before the thread closes. Scripture tells us that the "land promise" has been fulfilled. Joshua 21:43-45 tells us that "the LORD gave to Israel all the land of which He had sworn to give to their fathers...not a word failed of any good thing which the LORD had spoken to the house of Israel". This is also supported by Joshua 23:14, Nehemiah 9:7-8, and Psalms 135:10-12.

I believe you brought up Leviticus 26 earlier. Lev 26:40-46 show the condition for Israel to return to the Land was repentance. Despite this condition, many believe that modern aesthetic Israel coming back to occupy Palestine in 1948 was ordained by God. That goes against His Holy nature. That was my two cents worth for your consideration.

 

This may be a good place to reference the following thread: The Millennium: What's the Point?

I might say that Doc Cassidy now agrees with me.