Agreed, and another would be water Baptismal regeneration
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What is biblical Separation then?
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Modern KJV-only teaching is not an essential doctrine, and it is not even a Bible doctrine of God.
KJV-only teaching is a preference and tradition of men not taught in Scripture.
Agree
I think that all biblical doctrines are important (many doctrines are not technically biblical but things people believe ate taught by Scripture as opposed to actually being in Scripture). But not all are essential, you are right.
We have to remember that there were differences in doctrine between the New Testament churches. But they were united in Christ.
And would not be a vlaid readin to not fellowship with Christians not churches who deny KJVO as true
The churches though all followed Apostolic theology given forth to them by book and words, and the Apostles all agreed on their Theology
Well said!
It depends on what you mean by "Apostolic theology". But we were talking about doctrine.
Churches held different practices, different traditions. You could say this separated them to some extent as they were different. But they remained united in Christ, worked together, and did not insist ither congregations adopt their practices.
The local churched in Acts followed same Apostolic doctrines and teachings
Dave G
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At the beginning, there was one church at Jerusalem, one church at Antioch, one at Philippi, one at Corinth.
They all had one faith, one baptism, one set of doctrines in common.
Today there are literally dozens of "denominations" just in the United States alone, and dozens more in Africa, Europe and everywhere else.
They have multiple doctrines ( many in direct opposition to those that others hold to ), many "faiths", and at least three "baptisms" that I'm aware of.
It's so bad that there are eleven buildings in just my own hometown of less than 6,000 people, that all call themselves "Christian".
Eleven.
My point?
I'm reading comments from a thread on a Baptist forum where it seems that few can even agree on what constitutes sound doctrine and what does not, what we as believers should separate from and what we should not, and even what Bible translation we should read and study from and what we should not.
Is anyone else seeing this, or is it just me?
They all had one faith, one baptism, one set of doctrines in common.
Today there are literally dozens of "denominations" just in the United States alone, and dozens more in Africa, Europe and everywhere else.
They have multiple doctrines ( many in direct opposition to those that others hold to ), many "faiths", and at least three "baptisms" that I'm aware of.
It's so bad that there are eleven buildings in just my own hometown of less than 6,000 people, that all call themselves "Christian".
Eleven.
My point?
I'm reading comments from a thread on a Baptist forum where it seems that few can even agree on what constitutes sound doctrine and what does not, what we as believers should separate from and what we should not, and even what Bible translation we should read and study from and what we should not.
Is anyone else seeing this, or is it just me?
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The issue should not be what to seperate over but what to be united over.At the beginning, there was one church at Jerusalem, one church at Antioch, one at Philippi, one at Corinth.
They all had one faith, one baptism, one set of doctrines in common.
Today there are literally dozens of "denominations" just in the United States alone, and dozens more in Africa, Europe and everywhere else.
They have multiple doctrines ( many in direct opposition to those that others hold to ), many "faiths", and at least three "baptisms" that I'm aware of.
It's so bad that there are eleven buildings in just my own hometown of less than 6,000 people, that all call themselves "Christian".
Eleven.
My point?
I'm reading comments from a thread on a Baptist forum where it seems that few can even agree on what constitutes sound doctrine and what does not, what we as believers should separate from and what we should not, and even what Bible translation we should read and study from and what we should not.
Is anyone else seeing this, or is it just me?
Initially there was one church at Jerusalem, one church at Antioch, one at Philippi, one at Corinth.
These were all seperate congregations with different practices, issues, and doctrines. But they were united in Christ, they had the same gospel, and worked together.
Here what people argue about often did not exist in the 1st century church. The "theologies that divide" are theologies that developed over time.
If Christians woukd hold fast to their First Love we would have differences without division.
We Christians cannot avoid interacting with the lost world. The "test" for our being separated from the world is what we do or allowed to be done in our home.
Mainly that is due to we Christians taking our own personal convictions and preferences and elevating them to being THE standard to have everyone else judged by and must agree to have, such as KJVO, music styles etcAt the beginning, there was one church at Jerusalem, one church at Antioch, one at Philippi, one at Corinth.
They all had one faith, one baptism, one set of doctrines in common.
Today there are literally dozens of "denominations" just in the United States alone, and dozens more in Africa, Europe and everywhere else.
They have multiple doctrines ( many in direct opposition to those that others hold to ), many "faiths", and at least three "baptisms" that I'm aware of.
It's so bad that there are eleven buildings in just my own hometown of less than 6,000 people, that all call themselves "Christian".
Eleven.
My point?
I'm reading comments from a thread on a Baptist forum where it seems that few can even agree on what constitutes sound doctrine and what does not, what we as believers should separate from and what we should not, and even what Bible translation we should read and study from and what we should not.
Is anyone else seeing this, or is it just me?
Jesus modeled to us how to react and live in a fallen world, as we are to go out into it as light, and live among the lost but not acting as if we also are still lost
I agree. This is why I refrain from participating in secular politics (Jesus went out of His way to refrain from condemning the evils of the Roman government and instead addressed Israel and a corrupted religion).
(2Jo 1:9 KJV) Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
(2Jo 1:10 KJV) If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:
Dave G
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God Himself tells us what to separate over, Jon.
I'm sure, given time, you could come up with that list from His word at least as well as I can.
I disagree Jon, as I see them all being united by one preaching, one teaching, one Christ.
Paul's preaching and teaching are what united the Gentile churches, and Peter's the Jews.
Both taught and preached the same Gospel, and the same doctrines.
Their letters were circulated among each other's, and they all agreed because they knew, ultimately, where those teachings came from...
The Lord.
Paul as much tells them Who and what they all had in common, which was everything that he taught, and everything that the rest of God's prophets taught.
It was all given to the church by God:
" Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone];
21 in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 in whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit." ( Ephesians 2:19-22 ).
Effectively,
There was no difference between the church at Jerusalem and the ones in the Gentile ( non-Jewish ) nations.
They all embraced what the apostles taught, and none of them were divided over doctrines until false teachers came in and began troubling them.
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Dave G
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That is my point.
..and where did those come from, if not from the apostles?
There's only one answer outside of that, Jon.
My friend, if Satan hadn't done a bang-up job over the centuries by secretly planting false teachers and teachings among God's people, then we wouldn't have the mess that we now have in these last days.
Would we?
So, the easy part, as I see it, is to determine, from God's word, what to separate over... and what to bear graciously among ourselves.
If it's a false Gospel, then that's important enough for me to separate over.
If overt worldliness among those who profess Christ, another.
What the Scriptures tell us, is what we as believers should be ready, willing and able to separate over.
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I agree. God tells us. The name "church" itself indicates a separation.
I agree that EFFECTIVELY (effectively pointing to the gospel) there was no difference between the church in Jerusalm and the church in Corinth.
That said, Scripture tells us they had different doctrines.
Dave G
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No, it doesn't, and it never did.
Again, one faith ( not "several" ), one Lord, one baptism ( Ephesians 4:4-6 ).
However, since the two of us can't even agree on this, then I feel that it's time that we dropped it... as such things only lead to arguments and bad feelings.
But, I feel that in the process of solely my posting in this thread, we can both see why my hometown, of less than 6,000 people, has eleven churches in it instead of only one, like was present at Jerusalem.
Because all those that profess Christ today cannot, in these last days, find agreement in much of anything...
Especially doctrine.
Good evening to you.
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