Why don't you cowards quit beating around the bush and just admit that you don't believe anyone but a Calvinist is saved. It's getting ready old to hear all of this clandestine rhetoric saying it all but straight-forward. Good night just be honest for once in your lives.
ACH,
i answered you on this yesterday...you might have missed it...so here is an encore presentation---
Ach
No honest Calvinist believes I am saved.
It is not for a Calvinist or a non Calvinist to know who is saved.Only God reads and knows the heart. God alone knows who is SAVED...because salvation is 100% of God.
It is against BB rules to question anyone's salvation here on BB.
So in the judgement of charity we try and view each poster who professes saving faith to be an actual believer.
That being said...we do read your posts and have an opinion on what you post.
How can I be saved if I "hate the sovereignty of God" and am a "fool"?
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved! A saving belief is God given. This admission of your hatred for for the sovereignty of God and confessing you are a fool is a good step towards repentance and faith
All manner of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven to everyone who is savingly drawn to truth.
If Calvinism IS the gospel, and every one of you Calvinists think that us Non Calvinists are "saving ourselves", then how you can lie through your teeth and claim that you believe we are all brothers in Christ?
While Calvinism expanded and biblically explained is the gospel, not everyone who is saved understands many things in the bible. So we are to seek to edify one another and grow in grace and understanding of the truth.
Many who do not understand these things at first , come to learn and grow ,and study themselves into the truth...so we are not to judge them as they belong to God. We are to befaithful to feed the sheep, and protect them from false teaching wolves who like the fowls of the air seek to take away the seed of the word.
Ultimately, no Calvinist on here believers that any Non Calvinist is saved.
Not so....there is always a full spectrum of beliefs and conditions of the people on here, or in a local church.
You can not disagree with how we believe salvation works, and at the same time confirm that you believe we are really born again.
When someone is shaky in their understanding...better to proceed with caution and try and point them and correct their understanding of scripture.
If they are being drawn but not yet saved...the Spirit will work through the word being sown. If they are saved and have been exposed to some false teaching, or never really heard the truth explained correctly
God will use the person who is taught to help the young believer along.
If they are NOT BORN FROM ABOVE...they will be religious,but fight and resist truth at every turn because-
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
When a Calvinist accuses a Non Calvinist of believing that libertarian free will is what God permits for believing on Him unto salvation, and that such is works, you are accusing of believing in salvation by works which if you were HONEST you would would say that anyone else (Catholics for example) that also believe that are not saved.
That is correct.The person who believes in a salvation by works cannot be saved unless and until they repent and believe the gospel of grace.
Thus every time a Calvinist opens his mouth about a Non Calvinist, he/she is in fact, calling all of us heretics and unsaved people.
You have a habit of doing this. You over-think and try and project your thoughts on us. We do not think "all" are heretics or unsaved....however that is indeed possibly the case.
Calvinist simply don't want to APPEAR to say that because they don't want to lose credibility within Christendom.
In BB land Cals seek to operate within the guidelines set up by BB.That set of rules limits what can be expressed and how it can be expressed.
Calvinists would rather make you think that you are a brother that is merely untaught, and maintain fellowship with you until they can convince you that Calvinism is the right belief, but in doing so, they have to maintain that we are just different brothers
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Again...we take someone at their profession,but pay attention to the warning signs..
No honest Calvinist, if they were consistent in their beliefs, would maintain with a straight face that us Non Cals are truly saved.
Some of the Cals were at one time opposed to the teaching they now embrace, so why would they do that knowing at one time they did not see as clearly as they do now? Some other brothers came along,confronted them with scripture...you know , what benjamin speaks against as proof -texting...but then the Spirit worked through those verses or sermons and they saw clearly what was there all the time.
So you all can stop the act, quit acting so pious and just admit that you think all of us are hypocrites
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Not at all.Several non cals are sincere. They are the ones who will study themselves into a more scriptural position in time.
I'm honest enough about my beliefs not to sugar coat what I think of your belief system, for goodness sake why don't you Calvinists do the same and come clean about what you really believe, and stop acting like you don't think the same thing that you accuse me and/or other Non Calvinists of.
Ach....i do not think you can say that I have not been quite blunt with you, as you have mentioned i have gone after you right from the start.
I despise much of what you post...not so much as your non cal ideas...but the talebearing and evil speaking of calvinists, and in particular DR.White which is disgraceful in how you have an irrational hatred of Him.Perhaps fueled by envy, it is not much different that Cain and Abel.
If you remain non cal that is between you and God.Unless you repent of the ungodly posting about Dr.White and some of the other brothers...it will work toward you being judged according to your works:thumbsup::thumbsup:
