What is happening & why. Best explanation IMO.

[Wingman68]

President Trump Fires Back Against Ron DeSantis, Con Inc and Coordinated Narrative Midterm Effort
November 10, 2022 | Sundance | 703 Comments
President Trump can see and hear the same things everyone else can see and hear, including the coordinated media and GOPe effort to diminish him and the MAGA movement within the Republican club.

The Democrats and professional Republican class both want to see the populist movement destroyed for the same reason Mitch McConnell wanted the Tea Party destroyed in 2010. The assembly of the united middle-class and blue-collar base inside the Republican Party, essentially the broad MAGA movement, represents a Main Street threat to Wall Street control of the GOPe.

There are trillions at stake.

As Florida Governor Ron DeSantis’ megadonor and Citadel hedge fund billionaire, Ken Griffin, openly admitted recently the Wall Street goals are (1) stop the populist movement and (2) get the Republican Party back in alignment with the multinational “corporate world.” These are the same goals of the Republican leadership in Washington DC and the same goals as the corporate media who serve as the public relations firms for Wall Street.

The collaborative group, which includes the entirety of the funding mechanism and management behind Ron DeSantis, viewed the 2022 midterm election as an opportunity to reset the Republican Party away from the populist MAGA influence. The strategy was to roll out of the August DOJ Mar-a-Lago targeting, directly into a nationally rebranded DeSantis operation and then lead up to the 2022 midterm election.

Anything that can cast Donald Trump as a negative would be enhanced, and anything that would cast the MAGA movement as a positive would be diminished. In part, this is the intent behind the delayed positive election results from key MAGA races in CO, WA, NV and AZ, combined with emphasis on the negative -albeit controlled- election ballot outcomes from Michigan and Pennsylvania.

At the 30,000-foot level the attacks against President Trump are, quite frankly, attacks against the MAGA populist movement represented by President Trump.

The professional political class, both DNC and RNC club members, politicians and donors, want to get back to normal political business operations in Washington DC. The key element at the core of their concern is financial and economic control. Again, there are trillions at stake.


Just like we can see this coordinated effort, so too can President Trump see the construct of the narrative as it is being engineered and delivered. We can see the Paul Ryan wing, the Mitch McConnell wing and the corporate media division all working in concert. The entities described genuinely do not think the larger Republican base can see it, but they underestimate us at their own peril.

Things are never going to return to normal for them, but they refuse to accept that. The most adamant of the professional Republican apparatus, in concert with the multinational financial world, would rather see the GOP lose every election – if that’s what it takes to stop the MAGA movement. They view this as a zero-sum game, and they have planted proactive seeds for exactly this purpose.

A more than happy to assist CONservative Inc new media apparatus, the “influencers” as they call them, are part of the dynamic that was recruited in early 2022 {See Here}. It’s the use of this crew and others of like-minded disposition that helps the corporate group drumbeat an anti-populist, anti-MAGA message with the intention to eliminate the head of the movement.

In addition to their common vertical challenges, the DeSantis 2024 influence group are almost identical to the Cruz 2016 group. The difference this time around is the pretending game; where they pretend DeSantis is not the intended beneficiary of their relentless anti-Trumpism in both print and broadcast appearances.

The group was recruited in January 2022 and includes Fox News’ Lisa Marie Boothe, Turning Point USA’s Benny Johnson, Newsweek opinion editor Josh Hammer, The Rubin Report’s Dave Rubin, New York Post and FoxNews.com columnist Karol Markowicz, Claremont Institute fellow David Reaboi and conservative writers like Jordan Schachtel, John Cardillo, along with Ben Shapiro and Guy Benson.

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has been positioned as the intended recipient for the disenfranchised MAGA movement’s support, if they can just get President Trump out of the equation and exploit the vulnerability in his absence. However, all previous efforts to shake the bond between President Trump and the MAGA movement have failed.

Using the 2022 midterm election control, they are pounding the wedge harder now, with increased ferocity and urgency to break the bond.

Just like in 2016, the GOPe multinationals, corporatists, Wall Street donors, Never Trump CONservatives, and just about all controlled media systems are being enlisted in this effort. President Trump can see the construct just as clearly as you can.

That’s why President Trump is hitting back against the effort by singling out the wedge they are trying to use.

President Trump isn’t pretending. He’s targeting Florida Governor Ron DeSantis because President Trump, like us, can clearly see the nature of the construct that has been manufactured to oppose the MAGA movement. This is a fight for the future of the Republican party.

DeSantis is playing too-cute-by-half, in pretending not to be a participant in the professional republican operation. If Governor Ron DeSantis was not an active participant, he would not be playing coy with his 2024 GOP nomination intent. Trump isn’t going to play pretend. As long as DeSantis pretends, he will be targeted by President Trump because Trump isn’t going to allow the professional republican apparatus to destroy the populist movement.

Let Con Inc go and form a new party now of acceptable republicans. Let the people of selfie-importance assemble to take pictures of their lunches and dinners for social media shares, while the scruffnecks in MAGA assemble to push back against the new American corporatist agenda that finances them.

The new republican party is the working-class people’s party, the MAGA party, and President Donald J Trump is going to defend it.

 

[Wingman68]

Trump rallied & campaigned hard for the midterms, on his own dime. He was perhaps the best actual president in my lifetime. He has the stones to keep up the fight. I owe him my support. He has it.

 

[canadyjd]

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Trump rallied & campaigned hard for the midterms, on his own dime. He was perhaps the best actual president in my lifetime. He has the stones to keep up the fight. I owe him my support. He has it.

Trump seems to think any successful repub is a threat to his re-election and is compelled to attack. He cannot allow repubs the celebrate a big win in Florida for two days and wants to suck the oxygen out of the victory and make everything about himself.

He should change his motto to MTGA… “Make Trump Great Again”.

Look, I get it. Trump believes establishment repubs betrayed him and they did. They undermined his presidency. They fought him as hard, or harder, than Dems. He advocated the same positions repubs claimed they believed for years, but he got it done. They refused to give him credit.

The truth is, when repubs are divided, Dems win. Repubs will always be divided if Trump leads the party. Is it fair? No, but it is reality.

DeSantis has many of the same positions as Trump, he is charismatic, he’s articulate, he’s successful… and perhaps most important, he doesn’t come across as a petty, self-absorbed jerk.

DeSantis 2024!!!

peace to you

 

[Wingman68]

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis Wins Coveted Paul Ryan Endorsement for 2024
October 14, 2022 | Sundance | 729 Comments
Folks, I’m not trying to bust on Ron DeSantis, I’m just highlighting the dynamic in the background to include the political players and deep connected GOP club operatives. If the truth makes me a critic, then so be it; but I’m not going to play the pretending game. Quite frankly, I’m tired of it.

Ron DeSantis is backed by the same assembly of political insiders, donors, corporations and financial backers that supported Jeb Bush. The professionally republican class know what they have in DeSantis, and he is brand organized, packaged & managed to deliver on their intents.

Former Speaker of the House Paul Ryan is as dialed in to the GOP club system as it gets. Ryan’s brass nameplate is rivetted to one of the select mahogany chairs at the club table.

Speaking Wednesday at the Robin Hood conference before billionaires Steve Cohen and Paul Tudor Jones went on stage, Paul Ryan noted the GOP 2024 nominee will be “someone other than Donald Trump.”

According to a recording of his talk, Ryan named Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin, and South Carolina Senator Tim Scott as his three favorites. {source} DeSantis fighting Disney was “really good for him, from a political perspective,” Ryan said.


DeSantis didn’t raise $200+ million, with 94% coming from billionaires and multinational corporations, for a gubernatorial reelection race in Florida. Keep in mind all of the major expenses (television ads, mailers, etc.) are coming from outside PACs and affiliated groups.

DeSantis has raised a massive war chest and he is not spending it. He has willingly accepted the positioning for a 2024 nomination effort. It is intellectually dishonest not to see what the Club is doing.

The DNC Club is doing the same thing with California Governor Gavin Newsom.

The both wings of the UniParty want a Newsom -vs- DeSantis contest.

The professional political approach is as clear now in 2022 as it was in 2014 when the clubs were organizing the Hillary -vs- Jeb contest for 2016.

 

[just-want-peace]

Frankly, I think God has given us over to "ourselves", and, as POGO said, "WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY, AND HE IS US!"
Khrushchev, I think it was, said that our destruction would come from WITH-IN, and it seems that his prediction is dead on!

Trump did not drain the swamp, but he drained it enough that all ( a lot anyway) of the evil creatures dwelling therein were exposed, & we now know what their ultimate goals are. Unfortunately, after having been so successful while under cover but now openly working, I'm afraid their foundation is strong enough that we as a nation are toast!
One of the things that has surprised me the most was how encompassing the swamp was!

There are times I would love to be proven wrong, and this is one of them, but - - -!

The Adams quote in my sig line says it all!!!!!

 

[Baptist Believer]

Best explanation?

Most of the voting public is actively and rapidly rejecting Trumpism (populism moving toward fascism) and it shows in the voting results.

Cooking up new conspiracy theories to replace the previous failed explanations is to continue in delusion.

Time to wake up.

 

[canadyjd]

Best explanation?

Most of the voting public is actively and rapidly rejecting Trumpism (populism moving toward fascism) and it shows in the voting results.

Cooking up new conspiracy theories to replace the previous failed explanations is to continue in delusion.

Time to wake up.

I reject your characterization of “Trumpism as (populism moving toward fascism)”

The fascists live large in the Dem party and have for years. They are the ones that attempt to shut down debate and threaten those who disagree with them into silence. They support big government socialism (Hitler’s Nazi party was a big government socialist party) They are the ones using the power of the government against political opponents and everyday citizens holding their elected leaders accountable for their policies.

Yeah, it’s time ti wake up to the truth.

peace to you

 

[Wingman68]

One of the few real journalists left.


Lou Dobbs
@LouDobbs


Maybe Paul Ryan, McConnell and McCarthy need to rethink their globalist elite America Last politics: New Poll Shows Trump CRUSHING DeSantis with 50 Point Lead in National Republican Primary Poll #TheGreatAmericaShow

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

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Cooking up new conspiracy theories to replace the previous failed explanations is to continue in delusion.
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That is what the Dem Progressive Left do (with the help of RINOs), not because of delusion, but in order to delude. They are master propagandists with the deep state and massive media voices at their disposal.

The Dems conspired with the FBI to promote the conspiracy theory that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to affect the election.

The Dems conspired to continue to promote that conspiracy theory via the Mueller probe.

The Dems conspired to impeach Trump based on their own conspiracy theories—twice.

The Dems (& RINOs) are still conspiring against Trump based on their conspiracy theory that Trump is responsible for the Jan 6 Capitol incident.

 

[Baptist Believer]

I reject your characterization of “Trumpism as (populism moving toward fascism)”

Believe it or not, that’s fine with me

The fascists live large in the Dem party and have for years.

You just demonstrated you don’t understand the term “fascist” or “fascism.”

They are the ones that attempt to shut down debate and threaten those who disagree with them into silence.

That happens in both parties.

They support big government socialism…

Socialism is a very broad term that includes things from government ownership of all means of production, to full-blown Communism, to anarchism, to simply putting some minor controls on laissez-faire capitalism that often leads to destructive monopolies.

Most Democrats simply want some modest controls over laissez-faire capitalism to ensure that it works for the good of society. Many Republicans support the same thing (or they used to).

(Hitler’s Nazi party was a big government socialist party)

Not in the way you have been led to think. There was a socialist element to it, but it was far-right ethno-nationalism coming from a populist/fascist angle. That’s why the American Nazi groups supported Trump. They recognized he was their champion.

The name of the term, Fascism, comes through Italian from the Latin word, fasces, which means “a bundle of sticks.” The image is that ordinary insignificant sticks can be bound together to become a club to be reckoned with. Italian fascists associated the term with the ancient Roman fasces, which was a bundle of rods around the handle of an axe, that represented civil authority. While an individual stick (person) can be broken, the power of the population (populism) together with the might of the government (the axe) can effect social change against the elites and “ruling class.”

Fascism historically finds one or more common enemies. Historically, Jews have been targeted, but it is not limited to Jews. The Q movement is a prime example of anti-Semitism (some explicit “Jews will not replace us” and the ravings of Marjorie Taylor-Greene, or the obsession and mountain of lies about George Soros), and well as modified blood-libel conspiracy theories about children being kidnapped and consumed by a secret network of elites.

Yeah, it’s time ti wake up to the truth.

I agree. You have to eventually answer to Jesus for what you do right now. You won’t be able to debate or spin the truth.

Wake up.

 

[canadyjd]

Believe it or not, that’s fine with me


You just demonstrated you don’t understand the term “fascist” or “fascism.”


That happens in both parties.


Socialism is a very broad term that includes things from government ownership of all means of production, to full-blown Communism, to anarchism, to simply putting some minor controls on laissez-faire capitalism that often leads to destructive monopolies.

Most Democrats simply want some modest controls over laissez-faire capitalism to ensure that it works for the good of society. Many Republicans support the same thing (or they used to).


Not in the way you have been led to think. There was a socialist element to it, but it was far-right ethno-nationalism coming from a populist/fascist angle. That’s why the American Nazi groups supported Trump. They recognized he was their champion.

The name of the term, Fascism, comes through Italian from the Latin word, fasces, which means “a bundle of sticks.” The image is that ordinary insignificant sticks can be bound together to become a club to be reckoned with. Italian fascists associated the term with the ancient Roman fasces, which was a bundle of rods around the handle of an axe, that represented civil authority. While an individual stick (person) can be broken, the power of the population (populism) together with the might of the government (the axe) can effect social change against the elites and “ruling class.”

Fascism historically finds one or more common enemies. Historically, Jews have been targeted, but it is not limited to Jews. The Q movement is a prime example of anti-Semitism (some explicit “Jews will not replace us” and the ravings of Marjorie Taylor-Greene, or the obsession and mountain of lies about George Soros), and well as modified blood-libel conspiracy theories about children being kidnapped and consumed by a secret network of elites.


I agree. You have to eventually answer to Jesus for what you do right now. You won’t be able to debate or spin the truth.

Wake up.

Populism/nationalism does not equal fascism. It is when those folks seek to silence opposition with threats of violence or actual violence.. especially when supported by the government does the movement become fascist.

The Dems have sought to silence opposition with violence/threats of violence for many decades beginning with the founding of the KKK.

The Dems have sought to limit the population of what they consider lesser races through abortion services. The founder of planned parenthood was a white supremest. Hitler modeled his NAZI party ideas from the teachings of Berkeley professors.

As far as “children being kidnapped” etc… it was a dem commentator just prior to the election that claimed if repubs won they would take your children and kill then. So, you have proved my point that fascism lives large among the Dems.

As far as “most Dems” wanting modest controls of capitalism, that may be true among the citizens, but the leaders of the party want as much government control in every part of your life as they can muster.

That is why they lied about Covid, and continue to do so. People lost their jobs because they refused the vax, That’s why they lie about what is being taught to their children in schools and have plainly stated parents should no say in what their children are being taught.

That why they lie about climate change and seek to destroy any scientists that states what is plain to all with a brain that minor variations in whether patterns are not climate change but are due to sun spots activity, which has been demonstrated for many decades now.

And if the Dems can convince a large portion of the population that a man can get pregnant, they can convince them of anything.

peace to you

 

[Baptist Believer]

Populism/nationalism does not equal fascism.

You are correct. I suppose I didn’t make it explicit enough in my last post, but fascism is populism that has decided to employ violence. That’s what my initial reference to “Trumpism as (populism moving toward fascism)” demonstrated. You criticized that comment, then turned around and made a claim that I made no distinction. That’s strange, unless you are simply throwing assertions at me instead of following my logic.

It is when those folks seek to silence opposition with threats of violence or actual violence.. especially when supported by the government does the movement become fascist.

Yes.

That’s what has been happening over the last six years, with the most visible example being January 6th, 2021

The Dems have sought to silence opposition with violence/threats of violence for many decades beginning with the founding of the KKK.

“Many decades?” You really don’t know much about the Klan do you? There are multiple versions of the KKK rising and falling since the late 1860s. It was extremely popular in the 1920s-1930s. Even President Trump's father seemed to be involved in the KKK, based on an arrest record. Unfortunately, I grew up around what could probably be described as the third version of the KKK movement. Those persons were generally Republican, although they didn’t think the Republican Party represented their views very well in the 1970s-1980s.

The big shift in the segregationist/Klan political support took place in the late 1960s, with LBJ’s support of civil rights and the Republican effort to capture the Dixiecrat demographic of the South.

But hey, why not drag the Klan into the discussion when you have no real way to respond to what I previously wrote.

Maybe I should bring Tim McVeigh into the discussion and blame you for what he did?

The Dems have sought to limit the population of what they consider lesser races through abortion services. The founder of planned parenthood was a white supremest.

You are referring to Margaret Sanger and her support of eugenics — a very popular pseudoscientific viewpoint that was popular among white people of all political stripes at one time. And most white people were white supremacists at the time. In the South, the society was structured according to Jim Crow laws, so you might as well make that claim that everyone who is descended from Southerners is evil and does evil.

Hitler modeled his NAZI party ideas from the teachings of Berkeley professors.

Do you have a credible reference for this? And particularly, what “party ideas” do you refer? There were a lot of influences on Hitler, including Luther’s anti-semitism, a corruption of Hegelian philosophy, German paganism, reactions to the carnage of WWI, reactions to the threat of communism, and the collapse of capitalism in Germanic Europe.

As far as “children being kidnapped” etc… it was a dem commentator just prior to the election that claimed if repubs won they would take your children and kill then.

What lunatic said that? (Please provide a reference.)

So, you have proved my point that fascism lives large among the Dems.

You haven’t established anything based on my words except that you have misunderstood something crucial, and thrown out a bunch of tired claims and dubious assertions without references.

Please set aside this irrationality and engage with the logical part of your brain.

As far as “most Dems” wanting modest controls of capitalism, that may be true among the citizens, but the leaders of the party want as much government control in every part of your life as they can muster.

That’s a broad statement. In general, politicians like to have power, and that works on both sides of the center aisle. President Trump was fond of claiming that Article II of the Constitution gave him authority to “to do anything” he wanted, and he used that power to harm others. He constantly overreached his authority, and still tries to claim “Executive Privilege” and his authority to hold the property of the federal government (documents) — including confidential documents that he does not clearance for at this time.

That is why they lied about Covid, and continue to do so.

Uh huh… right. Speaking of delusions…

People lost their jobs because they refused the vax…

If they are a danger to others because of their job, then that’s reasonable. I couldn’t attend school as a child without vaccinations, nor attend college without being caught up on them. There are responsibilities inherent to being a part of society. A person’s “freedom” does not extend to negligently harming others.

That’s why they lie about what is being taught to their children in schools and have plainly stated parents should no say in what their children are being taught.

“They” is doing a lot of work in that sentence.

That why they lie about climate change and seek to destroy any scientists that states what is plain to all with a brain that minor variations in whether patterns are not climate change but are due to sun spots activity, which has been demonstrated for many decades now.

Uh huh. I used to believe that. A funny thing happened when I realized that the Bible teaches that humankind is responsible for taking care of the earth, I became concerned about pollution. Once I became concerned about pollution (because I am a disciple of Jesus), I realized that whether or not all of the science of climate change theory is EXACTLY correct, the call of Jesus would still be to do almost all the things that the climate change scientists suggest. In the meantime, we can see the effects of climate change in terms of glaciers and a rise in the ocean levels.

So your rant about climate change being related to sun spots has some truth to it, BUT it is not the only factor. In any case, you and the rest of us Christians should be at the forefront of the ecological movement to take better care of the planet.

And if the Dems can convince a large portion of the population that a man can get pregnant, they can convince them of anything.

Speaking of mass delusions, If there are a large number of people who think Trump and Q speak truth, we know that many in our population left behind critical thinking a long time ago.

 

[canadyjd]

You are correct. I suppose I didn’t make it explicit enough in my last post, but fascism is populism that has decided to employ violence. That’s what my initial reference to “Trumpism as (populism moving toward fascism)” demonstrated. You criticized that comment, then turned around and made a claim that I made no distinction. That’s strange, unless you are simply throwing assertions at me instead of following my logic.


Yes.

That’s what has been happening over the last six years, with the most visible example being January 6th, 2021


“Many decades?” You really don’t know much about the Klan do you? There are multiple versions of the KKK rising and falling since the late 1860s. It was extremely popular in the 1920s-1930s. Even President Trump's father seemed to be involved in the KKK, based on an arrest record. Unfortunately, I grew up around what could probably be described as the third version of the KKK movement. Those persons were generally Republican, although they didn’t think the Republican Party represented their views very well in the 1970s-1980s.

The big shift in the segregationist/Klan political support took place in the late 1960s, with LBJ’s support of civil rights and the Republican effort to capture the Dixiecrat demographic of the South.

But hey, why not drag the Klan into the discussion when you have no real way to respond to what I previously wrote.

Maybe I should bring Tim McVeigh into the discussion and blame you for what he did?


You are referring to Margaret Sanger and her support of eugenics — a very popular pseudoscientific viewpoint that was popular among white people of all political stripes at one time. And most white people were white supremacists at the time. In the South, the society was structured according to Jim Crow laws, so you might as well make that claim that everyone who is descended from Southerners is evil and does evil.


Do you have a credible reference for this? And particularly, what “party ideas” do you refer? There were a lot of influences on Hitler, including Luther’s anti-semitism, a corruption of Hegelian philosophy, German paganism, reactions to the carnage of WWI, reactions to the threat of communism, and the collapse of capitalism in Germanic Europe.


What lunatic said that? (Please provide a reference.)


You haven’t established anything based on my words except that you have misunderstood something crucial, and thrown out a bunch of tired claims and dubious assertions without references.

Please set aside this irrationality and engage with the logical part of your brain.


That’s a broad statement. In general, politicians like to have power, and that works on both sides of the center aisle. President Trump was fond of claiming that Article II of the Constitution gave him authority to “to do anything” he wanted, and he used that power to harm others. He constantly overreached his authority, and still tries to claim “Executive Privilege” and his authority to hold the property of the federal government (documents) — including confidential documents that he does not clearance for at this time.



Uh huh… right. Speaking of delusions…


If they are a danger to others because of their job, then that’s reasonable. I couldn’t attend school as a child without vaccinations, nor attend college without being caught up on them. There are responsibilities inherent to being a part of society. A person’s “freedom” does not extend to negligently harming others.


“They” is doing a lot of work in that sentence.


Uh huh. I used to believe that. A funny thing happened when I realized that the Bible teaches that humankind is responsible for taking care of the earth, I became concerned about pollution. Once I became concerned about pollution (because I am a disciple of Jesus), I realized that whether or not all of the science of climate change theory is EXACTLY correct, the call of Jesus would still be to do almost all the things that the climate change scientists suggest. In the meantime, we can see the effects of climate change in terms of glaciers and a rise in the ocean levels.

So your rant about climate change being related to sun spots has some truth to it, BUT it is not the only factor. In any case, you and the rest of us Christians should be at the forefront of the ecological movement to take better care of the planet.


Speaking of mass delusions, If there are a large number of people who think Trump and Q speak truth, we know that many in our population left behind critical thinking a long time ago.

Trump doesn’t have a fascist/white supremest bone in his body and neither does 99.99% of his supporters. Based on the last several years of violence by Dems against anyone who disagrees with them, I’d say fascism lives large in the Dem party.

The man who made the claim children would be killed by repubs if they won is a presidential historian that is a regular commentator on CNN and MSNBC. I can’t remember his name, but I’m thinking “Michael …????

Don’t really feel like debating history with you. The info about Hitler I got from a biography several years ago that focused on his mental illness and how he came to believe what he did. His idea of Arian supremacy was founded in evolution with “darker” races as less evolved than whites. He was influenced by professors from Berkeley. The school acknowledged this several years ago, I think, and offered an apology.

Never heard Trump claimed Article 2 gave him authority to “do whatever he wanted”. He certainly didn’t act like it. He worked with congress to pass legislation. He accomplished a great deal for the good of the country.

That said, his demeanor was unbecoming a president and he should have dropped all challenges when the State legislatures certified the results and sent electors to congress. At that point, Biden was constitutionally the duly elected POTUS.

I hope he doesn’t run again, won’t vote for him in primaries if he does, and will fully support him if he’s the nominee.

peace to you