What is Heresy?

[church mouse guy]

The Nicene Creed teaches the Son of God is caused. ". . . begotten of the Father before all ages . . . ." Teaches baptism for the forgiveness of sin.

Of course, baptism is not a sacrament but only third-wave Protestants believe that. Jesus was begotten not made.

 

[37818]

Jesus was begotten not made.

Jesus was begotten of God the Father in His bodily ressurrection, Psalms 2:7, Acts of the Apostles 13:33.

 

[church mouse guy]

Jesus was begotten of God the Father in His bodily ressurrection, Psalms 2:7, Acts of the Apostles 13:33.

Whoa, you chopped my original post without showing any markings of what you had done. I said, "Of course, baptism is not a sacrament but only third-wave Protestants believe that. Jesus was begotten not made."

 

[37818]

Whoa, you chopped my original post without showing any markings of what you had done. I said, "Of course, baptism is not a sacrament but only third-wave Protestants believe that. Jesus was begotten not made."

Ah, no. My two posts #19 and #22 are say two different things.

 

[37818]

Whoa, you chopped my original post without showing any markings of what you had done. I said, "Of course, baptism is not a sacrament but only third-wave Protestants believe that. Jesus was begotten not made."

Ouch. I made a mistake. I should have omitted ". . . Protestants believe that. . . ."

 

[Revmitchell]

Heresy is anything that is contrary to what is an orthodox belief by the church. A belief being heresy does not determines its truthfulness. Martin Luther held to heresy when he went against the Roman Catholic church. Luther was right. Never the less what he held to was heresy. Further, the word heresy can be rightly used in other settings not religious in nature such as politics. This is according to the dictionary definition.

heresy
noun
her·e·sy | \ ˈher-ə-sē , ˈhe-rə-\
plural heresies
Definition of heresy


1: adherence to a religious opinion contrary to church dogma
: denial of a revealed truth by a baptized member of the Roman Catholic Church
: an opinion or doctrine contrary to church dogma

Definition of HERESY


Scripture doesn't use even a form of the word heresy. What it does say is that gospels or Jesus that do not match up with what scripture says are called "another gospel" or "another Jesus". Based on all of this it is my view that the word heresy gets misused and has become a pejorative for views that differ from the one someone has who uses it, rather than being used according to its true definition.

People will likely continue to misuse it because it is their favorite go to pejorative but reasonable people will understand what they are doing.

 

[John I Morris]

Heresy is teaching or preaching anything that the Bible does not teach. That would be false doctrine, hence heresy. Like the teaching that God chose some for heaven and others for hell. When in many places the Bible teaches that God wants all to be saved 2 Peter 3:9; John 1:29; John 3:16; as well as the Scripture that says that God is no respecter of persons, if He chose some for haven and others for hell wouldn't that be a respecter of persons? Loads of other Scriptures on the topic. But, alas, some follow the teachings of a man who claims he was saved when he was baptized as an infant. It is not something that you can earn either. Its all by faith or its not at all.

 

[37818]

Heresy is anything that is contrary to what is an orthodox belief by the church. A belief being heresy does not determines its truthfulness. Martin Luther held to heresy when he went against the Roman Catholic church. Luther was right. Never the less what he held to was heresy. Further, the word heresy can be rightly used in other settings not religious in nature such as politics. This is according to the dictionary definition.

heresy
noun
her·e·sy | \ ˈher-ə-sē , ˈhe-rə-\
plural heresies
Definition of heresy


1: adherence to a religious opinion contrary to church dogma
: denial of a revealed truth by a baptized member of the Roman Catholic Church
: an opinion or doctrine contrary to church dogma

Definition of HERESY


Scripture doesn't use even a form of the word heresy. What it does say is that gospels or Jesus that do not match up with what scripture says are called "another gospel" or "another Jesus". Based on all of this it is my view that the word heresy gets misused and has become a pejorative for views that differ from the one someone has who uses it, rather than being used according to its true definition.

People will likely continue to misuse it because it is their favorite go to pejorative but reasonable people will understand what they are doing.

". . . For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. . . ." -- 1 Corinthians 11:19.

 

[37818]

. . . Like the teaching that God chose some for heaven and others for hell. . . .

". . . For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. . . ." -- Romans 9:15.

 

[John I Morris]

". . . For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. . . ." -- Romans 9:15.

So, it appears that you think mercy equals salvation? If so, we disagree on that. God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance (salvation). Now that does mean salvation.

 

[John I Morris]

". . . For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. . . ." -- 1 Corinthians 11:19.

Interesting verse, what are you saying by using it here. Are you approving heresy? Because in the context of that verse, that isn't what it is saying. Just wondering...

 

[37818]

So, it appears that you think mercy equals salvation? If so, we disagree on that. God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance (salvation). Now that does mean salvation.

So am I to understand that you think it is not God in His mercy that He saves anyone? Please explain your point of disagreement.

 

[37818]

Interesting verse, what are you saying by using it here. Are you approving heresy? Because in the context of that verse, that isn't what it is saying. Just wondering...

God uses sectarian disagreements to reveal who is approved and who is not. Do you understand that teaching, 1 Corinthians 11:19, differently? If so, how?

 

[Yeshua1]

Heresy is teaching or preaching anything that the Bible does not teach. That would be false doctrine, hence heresy. Like the teaching that God chose some for heaven and others for hell. When in many places the Bible teaches that God wants all to be saved 2 Peter 3:9; John 1:29; John 3:16; as well as the Scripture that says that God is no respecter of persons, if He chose some for haven and others for hell wouldn't that be a respecter of persons? Loads of other Scriptures on the topic. But, alas, some follow the teachings of a man who claims he was saved when he was baptized as an infant. It is not something that you can earn either. Its all by faith or its not at all.

There is NO scripture that teaches to us God will save all, in fact, Jesus stated that God will save the few out, the faithful Remnant, chosen out by His elective grace!

 

[Yeshua1]

So am I to understand that you think it is not God in His mercy that He saves anyone? Please explain your point of disagreement.

God has not determined to save all sinners....

 

[church mouse guy]

Heresy is teaching or preaching anything that the Bible does not teach. That would be false doctrine, hence heresy. Like the teaching that God chose some for heaven and others for hell. When in many places the Bible teaches that God wants all to be saved 2 Peter 3:9; John 1:29; John 3:16; as well as the Scripture that says that God is no respecter of persons, if He chose some for haven and others for hell wouldn't that be a respecter of persons? Loads of other Scriptures on the topic. But, alas, some follow the teachings of a man who claims he was saved when he was baptized as an infant. It is not something that you can earn either. Its all by faith or its not at all.

What end of a hard-boiled egg should be cracked first to avoid heresey--just asking for a friend?

 

[Reformed1689]

Scripture doesn't use even a form of the word heresy.

And of course you are wrong. 2 Peter 2:1

 

[MartyF]

Things get a little stickier when it comes to justification by faith

I have not seen anyone here argue anything other than salvation through faith. The problem comes from the fact that Calvinists commonly argue Assailment-by-Entailment and mistakenly say that everyone who opposes Calvinism believes in salvation through works.

And as expected, you're doing it again in sheep's clothing.

 

[Reformed1689]

The problem comes from the fact that Calvinists commonly argue Assailment-by-Entailment and mistakenly say that everyone who opposes Calvinism believes in salvation through works.

For the record, faith that is dependent upon man doing something on his own merit is, in fact, a works-based faith. There is no way around that fact.

 

[church mouse guy]

I have not seen anyone here argue anything other than salvation through faith. The problem comes from the fact that Calvinists commonly argue Assailment-by-Entailment and mistakenly say that everyone who opposes Calvinism believes in salvation through works.

And as expected, you're doing it again in sheep's clothing.

And it is very questionable that justification by faith is an essential of Christianity. But those who say that the entire Bible is essential throw Christianity into a kind of parallel with the Islam where everything that Muhammad did is essential and perfect, even marrying a six year old girl and having the honeymoon when she was nine. A lot of these essentials are not the type of things that can be put on the bottom shelf so that everyone can reach them and they are not urgent. But if you are going to insist that all things are urgent, then let's get around to the fact that pianos and organs were not in the churches of 2,000 years ago and are not in the Scripture so they should not be in our sanctuaries and let's debate that for another 100 years. In fact, at my church, they are wondering if flush toilets should be in the church since they were not 2,000 years ago and shouldn't we get five-gallon buckets for toilets like people who live in delivery vans? And should we really baptize inside a church since John the Baptist didn't do that? Should we all go find an outdoor stream somewhere?